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Officer: 'I wanted to be absolutely sure before I used deadly force'
WLWT ^ | 1:41 PM EDT Apr 18, 2015 | Jackie Congedo

Posted on 04/18/2015 5:37:57 PM PDT by Ronald_Magnus

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To: Ronald_Magnus
You keep repeating this like it was some kind of guarantee

No, those are your words not mine.

I told you and others the officer had been previously advised the suspect might or possibly wanted the cops to shoot him.

Should his dispatch not provide those in the field with pertinently information?

121 posted on 04/19/2015 11:15:19 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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er pertinent too...


122 posted on 04/19/2015 11:16:03 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

But you keep repeating it to evidently try and make your point, which I assume is that if the cop knows this guy is looking to have someone shoot him, he is less of a danger.

Simple question: Does the fact that the suspect was looking for a cop that would shoot him make him less likely to draw a gun on a cop?


123 posted on 04/19/2015 11:23:43 AM PDT by Ronald_Magnus
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To: Ronald_Magnus
If that’s not what you meant, then stop saying it to try and make your point.

BTW, it's not "my" point. My comments are based on the article/story reported here and statements from the cop.

You on the other hand throw out words based on nothing I wrote. With you it's like an involuntary burp, the words just come out without thought.

124 posted on 04/19/2015 11:24:09 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Ronald_Magnus
Simple question: Does the fact that the suspect was looking for a cop that would shoot him make him less likely to draw a gun on a cop?

I have no idea what the suspect was thinking or planning. You seem a bit slow. Once again my comments are based on the circumstances reported in the article/video.

125 posted on 04/19/2015 11:27:11 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Ronald_Magnus

I answered your question, but you evade mine. How’s that work?


126 posted on 04/19/2015 11:30:08 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

I may be slow, but I’m in front of you.


127 posted on 04/19/2015 11:34:05 AM PDT by Ronald_Magnus
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To: dragnet2
The dispatcher also said the suspect may be armed after he had just shot and killed 2 people.

The suspect ran at the officer with his hand in his pocket threatening to kill him.

The officer ran backwards for approx. 100 yds before tripping and falling. He easily could have lost his weapon, been incapacitated or knocked out.

When the officer falls the suspect is only feet away and appears to start to rush the officer until he sees the other 2 officers whereupon he lies down and surrenders. If the other officers hadn't shown up chances are he would have had to shoot or been fighting the perp for his own weapon.

If he was trying to commit suicide by cop why did he meekly surrender in the face of overwhelming force instead of forcing them to shoot him?

I belive that the officer made some bad decisions probably due to the political climate.

I also believe that things would have ended differently if the other 2 cops hadn't shown up when they did.

You are free to disagree with me and I would prefer to end this discussion.

128 posted on 04/19/2015 11:49:23 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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To: Eagles6
The dispatcher also said the suspect may be armed after he had just shot and killed 2 people.

Yes they did advised of that. But should they not report the other pertinent information which turned out be accurate?

129 posted on 04/19/2015 11:53:17 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Eagles6

BTW, once again, I have no idea what the suspect was thinking or why he did what he did.

My comments are based on what is known here.


130 posted on 04/19/2015 11:55:45 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: cripplecreek
I agree. I believe that he probably decided not to shhot because of the political climate.

After he falls the suspect is only feet away and appears to rush him until he sees the other 2 officers.

This could have turned out differently if the other officers hadn't shown up.

131 posted on 04/19/2015 11:56:05 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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To: Ronald_Magnus

Maybe in your own mind, but certainly not based on your comments.


132 posted on 04/19/2015 11:58:05 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: conservativegranny

This wasn’t political correctness.

Cops don’t want to be used in the “suicide by cop” tactic. This cop knew ahead of time the guy was likely employing this tactic. Clearly, his combat experience helped him to avoid a miscarriage of justice.


133 posted on 04/19/2015 12:02:48 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: Ronald_Magnus

The answer is yes.


134 posted on 04/19/2015 12:05:42 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: Eagles6
I agree. I believe that he probably decided not to shhot because of the political climate.

Based on the fact I don't believe the suspect was black and the officer knew damn well he would have been justified killing suspect. No sale on this being a big political thing if he would have fired.

The officer even stated he wanted to make damn sure the suspect was a threat before shooting him to death. The officer held back because the suspect never once produced a weapon and in fact told the cop to shoot him, not to mention the officer was previously told the suspect possibly wanted to be shot by cops.

If the suspect had exited the vehicle with weapon in hand odds are great the suspect would have been in cold storage right now.

135 posted on 04/19/2015 12:09:06 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Did you read my last post to you?


136 posted on 04/19/2015 12:39:20 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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To: Eagles6

The cop sized up the situation and arrested the man.

Why does that drive you insane?


137 posted on 04/19/2015 1:02:49 PM PDT by ansel12 (libertarian social liberalism makes conservative small limited government & low taxes impossible.)
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To: ansel12; dragnet2

It doesn’t. I have said that we can agree to disagree and asked that we end the discussion. You apparently can’t do that.


138 posted on 04/19/2015 1:07:05 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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To: Eagles6
Read post #78 AGAIN. I did not say he wasn’t a combat veteran. And again let’s agree to disagree.

FWIW - From: New Richmond Police Department Webpage

"New Richmond Police Department is honored to welcome Jesse Kidder to the Police Department. Both were sworn in on April 16, 2014. Officer Jesse Kidder is a US Marine Infantry Veteran who was deployed to Iraq multiple times and is highly decorated including the Purple Heart for being wounded while in combat as well as the Combat Action Ribbon (CAR). Officer Kidder was a Corporal while in the Marine Corps in charge of leading Marines both in training and in combat. He brings skills and that will assist New Richmond Police Department in more effective policing."

139 posted on 04/19/2015 1:23:12 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker
I had already seen that. So what?

As I said before we can agree to disagree. Please end the discussion.

140 posted on 04/19/2015 1:30:55 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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