To: cob201
If you could:
- Convince us we know the temperature of the Earth (surface, ocean, atmosphere)
- Convince us we know it's rising
- Convince us that the rise is harmful
- Convince us that humans can control it
- Convince us that getting off fossil fuel is the best way to do it
Then I might sign off on some of the proposed solutions.
But:
- We don't know the temperature of much of the Earth. Many areas were not measured until satellite coverage became available late in the 20th century.
- The historical records we do have keep changing. When the Canadian scientists found a Y2K problem in Hansen's data, 1934 suddenly became warmer than 1998. Then slowly, year after year, "history" was adjusted to put 1998 back on top. Sorry, if "history" keeps changing, it ain't Science.
- There are plenty of studies showing slightly warmer temps bring benefits that outweigh the detriments.
- The models that predicted the slight warming would result in runaway warming are wrong. They did not predict what happened over the last 20 years. Not even close.
- Can humans control the Earth's climate? Doubtful. The proposed remedies all hinged on CO2 reduction. CO2 has now been proven to NOT be the climate control knob. It has surged upward at a constant rate and temperatures have not. They can call it a "pause" but there's no guarantee it's going to march upward. The greenhouse effect is caused only partially by CO2 (water vapor much larger) and the warmists never talk about the percentage of that caused by humans. Wonder why? The skeptics talk about it all the time.
- Lastly, getting off fossil fuel is impractical for now. Wind and solar are inconsistent producers that chop and fry birds. Nuclear would be better. Propose that and watch the concern for CO2 get replaced with the warmists' true motivation - destroying capitalism.
I'm also not a climate scientist but you can infer that the warmists are lying from their tactics. They offer nothing to challenges except arguments to authority ("but consensus") and ad hominem slander. Thomas Jefferson said we should fear no idea, given it's been subject to reason. When people employ every vicious tactic available to avoid subjecting their ideas to dispassionate analysis, you know they're too invested to be trusted.
To: Dilbert56
Not only do they want to destroy capitalism and set up rigid totalitarian socialist rule, they (by necessity) have to de-populate much of the planet to do it.
7 billion people are just too hard to control.
And who do you think they’ll start with? Whites...specifically, white Christians. We’re just the ‘most evil’, dontchaknow.
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04/24/2015 7:56:41 AM PDT by
hoagy62
("Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered..."-Thomas Paine. 1776)
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