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1 posted on 06/17/2015 12:34:28 PM PDT by Lucky9teen
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To: Lucky9teen

In addition the House version of TPA has adopted the Cruz/ Sessions language on Immigration.

I think the opposition to the TPA bill has been fueled by the intentional misinformation and confusion that has been unleashed on the public. The more I studied it, the more I saw the merits.


2 posted on 06/17/2015 12:42:07 PM PDT by conservativejoy (We Can Elect Ted Cruz! Pray Hard, Work Hard, Trust God!)
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To: Lucky9teen

The US Constitution grants CONGRESS the authority to regulate commerce with foreign nations. It SHOULD NOT be ceding its power to the Executive, and then allow itself only a yes or no (which is always yes by the way).

They’re always trying to get around that pesky Consitution.


3 posted on 06/17/2015 12:43:59 PM PDT by cotton1706 (ThisRepublic.net)
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To: Lucky9teen

A lot of articles about this issue do not seem to understand the difference between TPA and TPP. Ted Cruz explained the difference very well recently.


4 posted on 06/17/2015 12:44:33 PM PDT by FewsOrange
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To: Lucky9teen

“Congress may withdraw TPA at any time if the President fails to follow all terms set forth in TPA – including reporting to Congress at the discretion of at least three different congressional committees.”

What nonsense. Congress can only do this BY LAW, which would then be vetoed by the president (if it even got that far). So deceptive!


7 posted on 06/17/2015 12:45:44 PM PDT by cotton1706 (ThisRepublic.net)
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To: Lucky9teen

Is there some other riders on this bill that might be objectionable? Or is this a clean bill?


8 posted on 06/17/2015 12:47:29 PM PDT by oldbrowser (We have a rogue government in Washington.)
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To: Lucky9teen

He offers no explanation as to why Obama has broken so many wrists and arms to get TPA passed. None, Nada, zipo. So I am to believe that Obama is crushing dem heads to rein in his power? Horsesh-t.


15 posted on 06/17/2015 12:58:22 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Lucky9teen

It’s a nice straw man. What should require a 2/3 vote in the Senate for passage is changed to 51 votes with the TPA. Why don’t the supporters ever address this little sleight of hand?


16 posted on 06/17/2015 12:58:29 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Lex rex)
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To: Lucky9teen

George W. Bush started a war in Afghanistan, and then he started Gulf War II. After a time, it became obvious that to prevent Iran from gaining nuclear weapons, we would have to go to war against them as well.

However, congressional leaders, both Republican and Democrat, told W. Bush that they would not tolerate a third war during his presidency, if there was to be a war, it would be under his successor.

Well, Obama has had his time in office, and though he didn’t start any wars, and badly managed the holdover wars he inherited, he carried out Obamacare, a poorly designed, badly executed disaster inflicted on not just the American economy, but on the people themselves.

Obamacare has *hurt* America, far more than two wars did. And it was wholly a Democrat idea, without any Republican input or support. None. Zero.

So Obama is politically even worse off than was W. Bush after two wars. He and his agenda are exhausted. He has no more, and should have no more grace extended to him from Capitol Hill. And he certainly deserves no more grace from the American people.

Now he and his internationalist socialist Democrat supporters, a part of the Democrat party, but not all of it, seek to join with multinational corporation Chamber of Commerce Republicans, to effectively undermine and harm America even more.

So it is really an existential argument.

Will the union Democrats, who are at least patriotic enough to not to want to destroy America as a nation, if just to keep their jobs, willing to join with conservatives, who love and admire America as a nation, as harmed as it has been by socialism already, to give a resounding “NO!!!!!” to any part of this trade deal?

Can we all agree that America, as an independent nation, is better than life in a socialist district under the rule of the UN, or whatever Frankenstein monster the internationalists come up with, be it a world wide Corporatocracy, Kakistocracy, Kleptocracy, Kratocracy, Plutocracy, or good old fashioned fascist dictatorship?


27 posted on 06/17/2015 1:13:20 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: Lucky9teen
The narrative goes that according to Article 1 Section 8 of the US Constitution, the President has no right to negotiate trade deals, his Article II powers of treaty negotiation notwithstanding.

And the narrative is right. A "trade agreement" is a treaty. Any agreement which binds the United States of America and a foreign country is a treaty.

The president alone has the Constitutional Authority to negotiate treaties. He has no authority to negotiate some kind of lesser document that is effectively a treaty and then submit it to congress for a majority vote.

These must be submitted to the Senate for 2/3 approval.

If Congress doesn't like that procedure because it doesn't guarantee swift approval, then they can amend the Constitution to allow for a vote of both houses (a proposal specically rejected by the Founders).

30 posted on 06/17/2015 1:15:49 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Saying that ISIL is not Islamic is like saying Obama is not an Idiot.)
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To: Lucky9teen

If the TPA truly checked the powers of the president why wouldn’t Obama simply veto it and return to what this author calls “unchecked power?”

The answer is that he has no intention of following the restrictions of TPA and he knows the republicans won’t do anything about it. He does want the ease of a no-filibuster, no amendment, 51 vote approval and he knows the republicans will give him that as well.

The only check against horrible giveaways of our sovereignty with this president and this senate is a high hurdle for a passing vote and the ability of the (few) conservatives to make enough noise to rouse people against it. TPA removes both those impediments.


33 posted on 06/17/2015 1:19:50 PM PDT by RightOnTheBorder
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To: Lucky9teen

BUT...why is this the most pressing issue on Congress’s plate? Let’s get a balanced budget done first before they sell the farm.


45 posted on 06/17/2015 1:40:31 PM PDT by Bobby_Taxpayer
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Hey you forgot BARF ALERT on your subject title! How is it wise TO LOWER VOTING STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN IN PLACE FOR OVER 200 YEARS???? I get that it makes it easier to bribe congress, but don't you think they are corrupt enough???? Do you really think they can be trusted after they have been caught in lies over and over again? Let's not LOWER THE VOTING STANDARDS that George Washington put in over 200 years ago. LET NOT LIMIT THE DEBATE TO 60 DAY ONLY..., from the current unlimited time that it is already in place now. Now if neither of the above convince you. That fact that even Obama went to congress should concern you deeply. If it does not concern you then YOU HAVE LEARNED NOTHING from this Administration, the DRUNK Boehner or his fellow collaborator McConnell. Good grief... WAKE THE F*CK UP!!!!


47 posted on 06/17/2015 1:48:20 PM PDT by Enlightened1
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Hey you forgot BARF ALERT on your subject title!

How is it wise TO LOWER VOTING STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN IN PLACE FOR OVER 200 YEARS????

I get that it makes it easier to bribe congress, but don’t you think they are corrupt enough???? Do you really think they can be trusted after they have been caught in lies over and over again?

Let’s not LOWER THE VOTING STANDARDS that George Washington put in over 200 years ago.

LET NOT LIMIT THE DEBATE TO 60 DAY ONLY..., from the current unlimited time that it is already in place now.

Now if neither of the above convince you. That fact that even Obama went to congress should concern you deeply. If it does not concern you then YOU HAVE LEARNED NOTHING from this Administration, the DRUNK Boehner or his fellow collaborator McConnell.

Good grief... WAKE THE F*CK UP!!!!


48 posted on 06/17/2015 1:48:43 PM PDT by Enlightened1
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To: Lucky9teen

Everyone appears to have an opinion about this trade thing.
This is the way I see it.
It does not matter what the TPA reads.
It does not matter what the TPP reads.
It does not matter what the TAA reads.

Here is what matters.
WE DO NOT WANT THIS PRESIDENT TO HAVE EVEN THE APPEARANCE OF SUPPORT FOR ANYTHING HE WANTS THIS BADLY.

Why? Because he will find a way to abuse it. That may sound irrational, but it is the way it is.


72 posted on 06/17/2015 3:21:02 PM PDT by Maris Crane
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What say y'all now?

EXCLUSIVE — TED CRUZ: OBAMATRADE ENMESHED IN CORRUPT, BACKROOM DEALINGS

115 posted on 06/23/2015 5:23:46 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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