Posted on 06/25/2015 9:52:16 AM PDT by BobL
Like it or not, given today's Republican leadership, we probably got the best ruling possible from the Supreme Court, as it does not take a rocket scientist to know what our bunch would have done if the Court had struck down the subsidies, given their TOTAL INABILITY to stand up to Obama on anything else. Here's what would have happened:
June, 2015: Interim Fix: No changes to Obamacare for the next 6 months (end of calendar year). Sure, some conservatives would want something in exchange, but the president will DEMAND that the first fix make no changes to His interpretation of the law. So the Republican leadership will quickly fall in line and pass a bill correcting the 'mistake' that was in the law (regardless of what Gruber has said). So no changes to Obamacare for the rest of the year.
Dec. 2015: Time for the BIG FIGHT. Only problem is that the President, knowing that the Republican leadership in Congress is totally under his thumb (battered wife syndrome), will cave. In this case, they put through some bills to extend Obamacare with some strings, but they get vetoed, until the Republicans finally cave and put through something that the president will sign. No different than EVERY OTHER TIME the Republicans promised a fight to the end - yes they fought to the end, and then they buckled, ALWAYS...anyone care to tell us why this time would be different?
Nov. 2016: Time for the election. Conservatives again SIT IT OUT, due to Republicans caving on Obamacare (primarily, since that was the most recent 'fight'). They don't trust a thing out of this bunch (can you blame them), even Ted Cruz would have trouble winning.
But, now, none of that happens. The Republicans can act all big and tough about how they would have fixed (or eliminated) Obamacare, had the Supreme Court learned to actually READ what's in the laws, but they are now not required to put out. Like it or not, Republicans do much better when they can TALK as if they are Conservative, rather than when they have to SHOW that they are conservative, by actually VOTING that way on meaningful legislation.
In the end Cruz, or maybe Walker might be able to win ONLY because of this ruling, as this ruling prevents Boener and McConnell from pulling the rug out from under them. So, like it or not, we come out ahead here.
Dave - sort of what you were saying...
I’ll have to go along with this - it’s the hope anyway.
A Walker or Cruz [or both!] could hopefully bring this down and slow our slide away from freedom.
I thought that they were just waiting on this ruling to see how they would proceed. They were hoping the court would undo Obamacare so they wouldn’t have to.
Let’s see if the Republicans now overturn the complete package as they promised to during election time.
Are you insane?
SCOTUS just confirmed that the Constitution and the Rule of Law is irrelevant and that whatever the Ruling Class Oligarchy and their Dictator want to impose on us will be MADE LEGAL.
We are become a Communist nation - and if you think elections are going to save what is left of us, you have no idea what has happened or what time we have arrived at.
Thank you, we are Americans...we don’t give up.
Yeah I’ve thought about that. I respectfully disagree.
In short, we got the worst possible decision, the GOP will be blamed, the Dims will get credit and it will CARRY all the way to the election.
I see no silver lining here.
I think you’re wrong. I think a Dem victory is now essentially assured. I’m not saying I like it.
Logical.
SCOTUS exceeded its authority under the Constitution. Legislative actions are the purview of the Congress. SCOTUS and the federal courts may INTERPRET the law but MAY NOT enact law under the Constitution. As such, SCOTUS has violated its authority under the Constitution and the 6 members who voted this way should be impeached. Otherwise we no longer have a “checks and balances” form of government, but a government of regulations and judges, as the laws mean nothing.
Sorry.
The guys in the Smoke Filled Rooms have already decided the GOP Candidate will be Jeb. So we get a choice between a Marxist Democrat (Hillary!, O’Malley, Warren, and Sanders are all Commies) and a Democrat Lite.
We ARE going to get ObamaCare AND Amnesty.
Now would be a good time pack your bags or move to the country.
It’s actually hard to say, one way or another. Speaking from a political perspective. There was a belief that had SCOTUS repealed Obamacare in the earlier decision the Dems would have been able to exploit it to win back the House and hold onto the Senate.
We’ll only know the long-term political consequences of this ruling with hindsight.
Any speech by any politician saying “we are a nation of laws” should be responded to with a hail of stones and rotten produce.
I see exactly the opposite. When premiums and deductibles rise, as they're likely to do, Republicans now have the perfect opportunity to step aside and say, "Don't blame us. We had nothing to do with this!"
“In the end Cruz, or maybe Walker might be able to win ONLY because of this ruling, as this ruling prevents Boener and McConnell from pulling the rug out from under them. So, like it or not, we come out ahead here.”
Ok and lets take the next step. Cruz or Walker wins and
passes a law that at least gets rid of the mandates, whats
to stop this SCOTUS from throwing it out as unconstitutional?
The sad fact is we are now beyond the point of return. The
move to socialism will continue at present pace right to
another civil war.
“we probably got the best ruling possible from the Supreme Court”
Your “we” refers to the GOPe
My “we” refers the people, who lost.
The effects of the “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act of 2010” will lead to a vast dislocation of economic and medical services, as long as no changes are EVER allowed. At this point, the Republicans should not even be TRYING to fine-tune the provisions or “do it smarter”.
The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it in its entirety. When the people get buffeted about harshly enough, they will hold an election, and it just might be at the end of a rope.
We win by losing? I think you’ve entered the final stages of Stockholm syndrome.
Saved them the trouble of repairing it, which they would have done poorly.
No President, not even Cruz, will stop any of this without a Congress that wants it repealed, and that isn’t happening.
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