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Why didn't the Confederate battle flag go the way of the swastika?
Chicago Reader ^ | 6-24-2015 | Michael Miner

Posted on 06/25/2015 11:59:12 AM PDT by Citizen Zed

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To: Reno89519
That flag belonged in a museum since the end of the Civil War. Glad to see finally on its way there.

And where Old Glory will likely be joining it shortly.

21 posted on 06/25/2015 12:35:25 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: SkyDancer

They DID lynch Jews, in the South, though.


22 posted on 06/25/2015 12:35:52 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Citizen Zed
Two days ago, I responded to a similar themed thread:

"The culture of the Confederacy was probably the furthest from the Nazi culture of any in the world over the past century & a half. The ignorance of social history by those who parrot such a line is astounding.

"Similarly, one might consider what I posted this morning on another thread:

"That there are many Leftist crack-pots who pontificate against traditional values with little or no knowledge or understanding of history, is a given. The real question is how and when to respond to them, in a manner that is effective.

"The idea that because the Confederate South had an hierarchical system, such as that in Biblical times; such as that in the Classical era of Greece & Rome; such as that in almost all of Europe from the fall of Rome until the modern era; there was an idea that the lives of workers did not matter, is a ludicrous form of angry myopia that needs to be addressed.

"For an example. From the standpoint of whether "Black lives mattered" in the days of the Confederacy: Contrast the relative standing of urban Blacks in most American cities today, with their standing (cumulatively, both as free men and those technically in bondage--as were some we honor from Classical Greece to this day) in the actual days of the Confederacy?

"Most of your skilled construction workers, carpenters, masons, shipwrights, etc.., were Black in the deep South. (Some "free," many still technically not; but certainly respected, in the early 1860s.) What happened? The end of the War generation were not able to pass on their skills to their children--corrupted by Leftist politicians of that era, promising instant equality from Government--entitlements just from existing.

"White Americans are certainly being victimized by the present Administration in Washington. But, frankly, as anyone who understands the dynamics of human motivations (positive & negative); it is a very close call, which race is being victimized more. Looking at what has been happening in Black neighborhoods in Baltimore, Greater St. Louis, Chicago, etc.; it does not really appear to be the Whites.

"Nor is the victimization that terrorizes law abiding Blacks, the result of Policemen doing their jobs; or of Southerners who honor their very American heritage that comes closer than any other to reflecting the values & traditions of the Founding Fathers. To understand what is destroying the quality of "Black lives," you need to look to the centers of Leftwing agitation, and the White House & the hopelessly compromised Republicans, who sit silently--if not providing a friendly chorus--while America is being deconstructed.

"(And do not forget who is being most directly victimized by the open Southern border.)"

For a clearer understanding of race relations in the old South, visit Booker T. Washington's witness in 1895: Booker T. Washington Address. Unlike the hate filled Marxist fanatics, mentioned above, Washington loved his Southern homeland.

23 posted on 06/25/2015 12:36:13 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Rock N Jones

The Reader ??????????? LOL


24 posted on 06/25/2015 12:37:18 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Reno89519

You deserve to be in a history classroom where maybe you could learn something.


25 posted on 06/25/2015 12:38:01 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Citizen Zed

The’’new’’ Civil War IS about slavery. We are all slaves now. Kinda ironic, huh?


26 posted on 06/25/2015 12:42:23 PM PDT by KGeorge (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground)
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To: Citizen Zed
The race problems that wrack America to this day are due largely to the fact that the Confederacy was not thoroughly destroyed, its leaders and soldiers executed and their lands given to the landless free slaves.

If that had happened, Southern partisans would have taken to the hills, forests and swamplands to wage guerrilla warfare. The war could then have gone on for decades as has the Burmese civil war, which began in 1948 and is still going on.

27 posted on 06/25/2015 12:46:04 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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The old South was the first region in America where Jews were treated fully as part of the mainstream--as witness the two Jewish Senators, at the time of secession, and the fact that the #3 man in the Confederate Government was Jewish.

The ridiculous notion that Southern culture was based on hatred of anyone, is belied by the fact that many of her large Negro population were actually more advanced occupationally than they have been since. (No, that is not a defense of a feudal legal structure with regard to the labor system. But it is certainly something that needs to be understood, before one passes moral judgment on anyone else. 'Let he, who is innocent,' etc.)

28 posted on 06/25/2015 12:48:42 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: DiogenesLamp

No, don’t diss the US flag because we are finally putting the Confederate flag in a museum. Two very different considerations. Can’t believe you don’t see or appreciate the difference. It is a matter of whether you believe in, respect, and support America or not. Waving the Confederate flag and defending it over or equating it with the US flag suggests otherwise.


29 posted on 06/25/2015 12:49:32 PM PDT by Reno89519 (For every illegal or H1B with a job, there's an American without one. Muslim = Nazi = Evil)
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To: Citizen Zed

For starters, the Confederacy had a Jewish Secretary of State, Judah Benjamin.


30 posted on 06/25/2015 12:51:54 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: central_va

Aside from my nuclear and electronic engineering studies, I was a history major, with focus on US history. And I have no problem defending and respecting the US. No conflicting loyalties, like equating or putting the Confederate flag above the US flag. CSA deservedly lost the Civil War and it is long past time to get over it and move on. What alternative, move to Mexico?! The Republican Party and conservatives will be better for finally and very publicly shedding the Confederate flag. Anyway, give it a few days and you will feel better with some perspective. And, sorry, I cannot feel your pain on this one.


31 posted on 06/25/2015 12:57:23 PM PDT by Reno89519 (For every illegal or H1B with a job, there's an American without one. Muslim = Nazi = Evil)
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To: Citizen Zed

why?

because they needed to get rachel dolezal off the front page ASAP.

it was threatening to unravel the trans crowd and race based politics in one fell swoop. they needed a lightning rod immediately.


32 posted on 06/25/2015 12:58:38 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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Well I remember one lynching, that of a young man by the name of Frank who was wrongly accused of rape. Found out later he was innocent. OTT only after the KKK was founded by a group of ex-Confederate soldiers. There were lots of Jews in the KKK even grand dragons namely Daniel Burrows who spent years of his life as a fake leader of the KKK right up until it came out that he was Jewish, at which point, the Jewish sources say he shot himself in the chest and in the head. He went around saying “kill, kill, kill”, but his motivation was none other than that of Jewish subversion and causing racial strife.

The KKK was originally formed to terrorize blacks but later expanded to include Catholics and Republicans.

More here: http://snippits-and-slappits.blogspot.com/2012/04/jews-and-kkk.html

33 posted on 06/25/2015 12:59:39 PM PDT by SkyDancer ( I Was Told Nobody Is Perfect But Yet, Here I Am ...)
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To: SkyDancer
Whenever the leftist/liberal media doesn't like something they always inevitably tie it to the swastika or Nazi's.

Actually, the collectivist/egalitarian, seeking a monolithic society, is the ideological equivalent of the Nazi under Hitler--who ranted about achieving a "classless, casteless" Germany, in "Triumph Of The Will". Those we mistakenly call "liberal," in today's sloppy parlance, are fanatics at war with reality, most of whom share the same Compulsion For Uniformity, as drove the Bolsheviks and Nazis.

34 posted on 06/25/2015 12:59:46 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Citizen Zed

Because Germany outlawed the swastika. Where-as we used to believe in free speech.


35 posted on 06/25/2015 1:01:27 PM PDT by discostu (In fact funk's as old as dirt)
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To: Ohioan

Right and in Communist Russia for a kid in school to be called an ‘individualist’ was a harsh slur.


36 posted on 06/25/2015 1:01:36 PM PDT by SkyDancer ( I Was Told Nobody Is Perfect But Yet, Here I Am ...)
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Where we are headed?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3291368/posts

Liberal Academic Says America’s Founding Document Outmoded
Accuracy in Academia ^ | May 19, 2015 | Cliff Kincaid

Posted on 5/19/2015, 7:18:43 AM by Academiadotorg

Top Vatican adviser Jeffrey Sachs says that when Pope Francis visits the United States in September, he will directly challenge the “American idea” of God-given rights embodied in the Declaration of Independence.

Sachs, a special advisor to the United Nations and director of the Earth Institute at Columbia University, is a media superstar who can always be counted on to pontificate endlessly on such topics as income inequality and global health. This time, writing in a Catholic publication, he may have gone off his rocker, revealing the real global game plan.


37 posted on 06/25/2015 1:03:36 PM PDT by goodnesswins (hey..Wussie Americans....ISIS is coming. Are you ready?)
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To: Reno89519
I don't really know anyone that "waves" the confederate flag and I suspect that you do not either. The issue is are we as a nation so utterly weak that the symbols of our past can terrify us to the point that they must be erased from our sight.

I submit that images of every "bigoted" personality from our history is now up for grabs. From Washington to Lincoln, Malcolm X to Jimmy the Greek - you go down this road and there's no telling where it leads.

38 posted on 06/25/2015 1:05:44 PM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever)
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“The race problems that wrack America to this day are due largely to the fact that the Confederacy was not thoroughly destroyed, its leaders and soldiers executed and their lands given to the landless free slaves.”

THIS guy is extremely dangerous.

More akin to Moslem thinking than Christian.

And I’m sure he wouldn’t like Lincoln if he had lived on. Lincoln just wanted to give them a spanking. Not good enough for this monster.


39 posted on 06/25/2015 1:08:43 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: Reno89519
What a misguided fools most are in this country. The Civil War proved that Ben Franklin's response was apropos, "A republic if we can keep it" Well we can't and we didn't.. A HISTORY major should realize the mess we are in is due to an over powering central government that is breathing down our necks all the time. YOU LEARNED NOTHING.

You wouldn't know a republic if it bit you in the rear end.

I am giving you a pass however because I like your tag line.

Please get a clue, how does one "get over" the death of the republic?

40 posted on 06/25/2015 1:09:24 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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