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Warning: Windows 10 will share your Wi-Fi key with your friends' friends (and FB friends, and...)
The Register ^ | June 30, 2015 | Simon Rockman

Posted on 06/30/2015 7:07:24 PM PDT by dayglored

A Windows 10 feature, Wi-Fi Sense, smells like a security risk: it shares access to password-protected Wi-Fi networks with the user's contacts. So giving a wireless password to one person grants access to everyone who knows them.

That includes their Outlook.com (nee Hotmail) contacts, Skype contacts and, with an opt-in, their Facebook friends. There is method in the Microsoft madness – it saves having to shout across the office or house “what’s the Wi-Fi password?” – but ease of use has to be tamed with security. If you wander close to a wireless network, and your friend knows the password, and you both have Wi-Fi Sense, you can now log into that network.

Wi-Fi Sense doesn’t reveal the plaintext password to your family, friends, acquaintances, and the chap at the takeaway who's an Outlook.com contact, but it does allow them, if they are also running Wi-Fi Sense, to log in to your Wi-Fi. The password must be stored centrally by Microsoft, and is copied to a device for it to work; Microsoft just tries to stop you looking at it...

In theory, someone who wanted access to your company network could befriend an employee or two, and drive into the office car park to be in range, and then gain access to the corporate wireless network.

The feature has been on Windows Phones since version 8.1... Given the meagre installed base of Windows Phones it's not been much of a threat – until now.

With every laptop running Windows 10 in the business radiating access, the security risk is significant. A second issue is that by giving Wi-Fi Sense access to your Facebook contacts, you are giving Microsoft a list of your Facebook friends, as well as your wireless passwords.

(Excerpt) Read more at theregister.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet; Hobbies
KEYWORDS: security; wifi; windows10; windowspinglist
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To: GeronL
> nononononononononnonononononononono!!

Yeah, that was pretty much my reaction too.

21 posted on 06/30/2015 7:57:20 PM PDT by dayglored (Meditate for twenty minutes every day, unless you are too busy, in which case meditate for an hour.)
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To: dayglored

That’s got to be one of the most retarded ideas I’ve ever heard. Thanks, Microshaft!


22 posted on 06/30/2015 7:58:49 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: dayglored
I hear ya, but I'll bet an awful lot of small companies fall into the category of "failed to implement certain basic security measures" these days.

Probably. But IMHO, the author disqualified them from consideration with the phrase "corporate network".

23 posted on 06/30/2015 7:59:08 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: dayglored

free for the taking


24 posted on 06/30/2015 8:05:08 PM PDT by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: doc1019; Billthedrill
> I’ve been waiting for the first hammer to fall regarding Windows 10 (I’m still using Windows 7) ... and mayhap here it is.

I'm with Billthedrill -- I don't think this feature will remain for long. Too much potential for abuse and compromise.

25 posted on 06/30/2015 8:10:18 PM PDT by dayglored (Meditate for twenty minutes every day, unless you are too busy, in which case meditate for an hour.)
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To: dayglored

The NSA needs access as do the police.


26 posted on 06/30/2015 8:14:19 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: dayglored

My biggest question ... if what you say comes to pass, why was it included in the first place. Microsoft supposedly has a market on brainpower, who thought this was a great idea?


27 posted on 06/30/2015 8:16:08 PM PDT by doc1019 (Blue lives matter)
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To: dayglored

This is wrong and stupid. Microsoft should work on something useful. Like making free phone calls with a free google voice number and an obi100 http://www.amazon.com/OBi100-Telephone-Adapter-Service-Bridge/dp/B004LO098O


28 posted on 06/30/2015 8:36:21 PM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: dayglored

“sharing” your wifi password is....

As useful as tits on a boar hog....
As useful as metro “tiles” on a windows 8 desktop.......
As useful as a crappy Apple watch.....
Is the bear Catholic?
Does the Pope shiite in the woods?


29 posted on 06/30/2015 8:39:36 PM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: doc1019
> ...if what you say comes to pass, why was it included in the first place. Microsoft supposedly has a market on brainpower, who thought this was a great idea?

My personal observation/opinion:

Microsoft has many incredibly bright engineering people. They have a few very good managers. They have almost no decent marketing people.

It has to have been a Microsoft Marketing-driven decision to include this "feature" from Windows Phone in a computer operating system. It's a lead balloon. They're famous for bone-headed things like this. Hate to say it, but they couldn't market their way out of a paper bag with both hands and a pocket knife.

30 posted on 06/30/2015 8:51:22 PM PDT by dayglored (Meditate for twenty minutes every day, unless you are too busy, in which case meditate for an hour.)
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To: dennisw
> As useful as tits on a boar hog....

Yep. We're in total agreement.

31 posted on 06/30/2015 8:54:13 PM PDT by dayglored (Meditate for twenty minutes every day, unless you are too busy, in which case meditate for an hour.)
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To: dayglored

But someone, somewhere within the Microsoft braintrust must have given thought that this was a bad idea?


32 posted on 06/30/2015 8:58:21 PM PDT by doc1019 (Blue lives matter)
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To: dayglored

It’s a feature for the millennial...
Let your friends on your WiFi at home without giving them a password in writing.

My advice, toggle off.


33 posted on 06/30/2015 9:03:19 PM PDT by BlueNgold (May I suggest a very nice 1788 Article V with your supper...)
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To: dayglored

No worries here. My home network is set to only allow those assets whose MAC addresses I have registered.


34 posted on 06/30/2015 9:30:38 PM PDT by Mygirlsmom (The only cleaning "Woman of the People" HRC has done in the last 25 yrs was wiping her server.)
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To: dayglored

Fixing a whole in a Windows OS installation should not require me to change my network hardware configuration.


35 posted on 06/30/2015 10:08:07 PM PDT by jdege
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To: doc1019
> But someone, somewhere within the Microsoft braintrust must have given thought that this was a bad idea?

Oh probably, but they obviously were steamrollered.

These are the same people who brought you the Zune and "squirting" (the concept/feature, though officially they disavowed that name for the wireless transfer).

36 posted on 06/30/2015 10:09:01 PM PDT by dayglored (Meditate for twenty minutes every day, unless you are too busy, in which case meditate for an hour.)
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To: dennisw

I’ve been told by a pig farmer that it’s a good thing for a boar hog to have tits. It means any female pigs he sires are more likely to have “extras” allowing them to feed larger litters.


37 posted on 06/30/2015 10:45:14 PM PDT by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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To: dayglored

There’s a hardware component in your wireless router that’s at play here as well. If you use WPS (wireless protected setup), your router already has a mechanism whereby it synchronizes to your computer through the use of a mutually-shared code. This is very much not recommended in areas where a large number of APs are present (i.e. a college dorm or apartment complex), but it’s relatively safe for most users.

This sounds like an extension of WPS whereby a social aspect of the operating system calls out to systems in the user’s trusted list to allow them to connect to a common wifi hotspot.

I’m using Ubiquiti APs in my home and have a pretty tight lock of my network. I wouldn’t let this crap fly.


38 posted on 07/01/2015 4:54:03 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: dayglored

Also want to point out that this “feature” is only enabled if you allow it. There are opt-out checkboxes all over the place, and given that this is a Windows platform, if you’re using the OS in a corporate environment, group policy is going to allow you to completely shut this down anyway.


39 posted on 07/01/2015 4:57:55 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: dayglored
Does seem like a bad idea. The only justification I can see for it is that it would make people more likely to actually set good passwords on their WiFi networks.

This and having weak or default passwords both have the potential for enabling unauthorized use of you WiFi. The one difference I see is that this could make it more likely that unauthorized users can be detected and identified, since they have to be registered with the service at MS and the access should be logged there.

40 posted on 07/01/2015 5:10:46 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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