Sure they can leave. There's the border right over there. -->
But they can't take the territory of the sovereign people of the United States without their consent.
It's that whole "consent of the governed" thing, you know. Right there in the Declaration as well.
No more than they can take the territory of the Sovereign of the British Union without his consent. Oh, wait...
It's that whole "consent of the governed" thing, you know. Right there in the Declaration as well.
The consent of people who do not live there is irrelevant. It is none of outsider's business what other people do with their own land.
“But they can’t take the territory of the sovereign people of the United States without their consent.”
There was no “sovereign people of the United States” at that time. There were a number of sovereign states, that had formed a political union. In each state that seceded, the people of the state gave their consent, either through popular vote, or through their elected representatives.
This notion of a “sovereign people of the United States” is a result of the fallout from that war. Before that, everyone properly understood that, if the individual states were not themselves sovereign, then they never would have had any power to form the “United States” in the first place.
Firstly, it is the central foundational premise of socialism/communism is that private ownership of property is not a natural right but rather one virtualized within the framework of community law. In expressing that exact sentiment, you've just unintentionally revealed your true ideological self.
Secondly, there was not a single political entity called "the sovereign people of the United States" prior to the rump passage of the Fourteenth Amendment. Sovereignty had previously been vested the in peoples of the several States. I'll help you out a little: The Fourteenth Amendment was recorded AFTER the war.
It's that whole "consent of the governed" thing, you know. Right there in the Declaration as well.
Ah, the Declaration of Independence, my most favorite act of secession (that you secretly hate).