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To: EternalVigilance
“I only wish you were as willing to face up to Southern responsibility for the things that led to war as Lincoln was to face up to Northern responsibility for the same, as expressed in that same immortal speech.”

Translation: jeffersondem should criticize the South.

Why should I criticize the South? There are already not much less than 275 millions of Americans trained and eager to do that.

And they are led by Southern Governor's like Terry McAuliffe; Nikki Haley; Jeb Bush. And Southern Presidents like Jimmy Carter; Bill Clinton. And Southern Senators such as Linsey Graham; Bill Nelson; Trent Lott. And lesser Southern lights like the Memphis locals who are about demolishing memorials to the Confederate dead; and have announced plans to desecrate graves of the dead.

If I do their job and criticize the South, who will do my job - which is to seek to distinguish right from wrong and proclaim the difference.

Southern leaders have been routed because they do not want the national media, the big corporate boys, and conservatives like Brother Joe to play the race card on them.

Without knowing for sure, I'm guessing (because you post on Free Republic) that you are appalled to find the Full Faith and Credit Clause means men can marry men; that glancing geese can invoke the Commerce Clause and give Fish and Wildlife control of every square foot of a continent; that minimum wage workers have a responsibility to pay for Rush Limbaugh's health care (he says he is appalled).

Were you surprised some seasons back to learn the shooting in the back of Randy Weaver's 12-year old son was a good shoot because his father had created a twice-barreled shotgun one-fourth of an inch too short at the request of a federal agent?

Who is held accountable for the abuses at the IRS? Who is held accountable for the hundreds of deaths that resulted from Fast and Furious? Who is held accountable for the decision to eradicate U.S. borders?

No one. And the reason is because no one believes they have the constitutional power to impeach the attorney general, or the president. And because they don't think they have the power, they don't have the power.

Americans, because of the dominant Appomattox narrative, believe we live in a Democracy, not a Republic. Gone are the concepts of dual sovereignty. The meaning of the phrase, "All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress" is as foreign to most people as the suggestion that a parent should buy their own child a lunch.

Human problems started in the Garden of Eden, not with the election of Abraham Lincoln. But Lincoln made the decision, for whatever reason, to destroy the union in order to save the union.

In my opinion, that was the wrong decision.

844 posted on 08/02/2015 11:28:06 AM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: EternalVigilance

As you can see, our hubristic FRiend chooses selective criticism and apologism over the truth. In typical fashion not only is Lincoln personally responsible for every misstep the United States has taken since his presidency, but he is to blame for much of the history that preceded him.

And since there are others who criticize the insurrectionists he sees no inclination to accept any of their wrongdoings. Classic.


845 posted on 08/02/2015 12:22:26 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: jeffersondem

If your job really is to distinguish right from wrong as you say, you should have no more problem dealing honestly and humbly with the wrongs committed by Southern leaders long since dead and gone as you do recognizing the glaring faults of the modern-day Judases in the Republican Party.


846 posted on 08/02/2015 12:24:16 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: jeffersondem; EternalVigilance
jeffersondem: "Southern leaders have been routed because they do not want the national media, the big corporate boys, and conservatives like Brother Joe to play the race card on them."

FRiend, you "play the race card" on yourself whenever you defend slavery.
There's no defense for it, and no defense for those Confederates who fought to the death of 600,000 Americans to preserve slavery.

Of course, many here say that's not why their Confederate ancestors fought & died, and doubtless they're being truthful.
But protecting slavery certainly was the reason their leaders declared secession & Confederacy, starting and declaring war on the United States, then refused to stop fighting until thoroughly defeated militarily.

jeffersondem: "Lincoln Jefferson Davis made the decision, for whatever reason, to destroy the union in order to save the union slavery."

There, fixed it for you. You're welcome.

853 posted on 08/02/2015 1:43:12 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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