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Not to put too fine a point on this, but — are you asking me if slavery was wrong before the northern states tired of it, or afterwards?

The greatest of the founders, even the great ones from Virginia, were already tired of the institution of slavery at the founding, as has been demonstrated to you already on this thread.

They couldn't find the political will and means to stop in their time, but at least, to their credit, they put it on the path to extinction.

By 1860, the North had aleady pretty much carried out that program.

But the leadership in the South was determined not only to hold onto the infernal institution, but to greatly expand it wherever possible.

That's the history of what ultimately led to war.

“Not to put too fine a point on this, but — are you asking me if slavery was wrong before the northern states tired of it, or afterwards?”

You set out some tainted bait and when it was sent back, you decided you wanted no part of it. Well, I can't blame you for that.

Northern states were real cozy with the slave trade, and with working slaves, for a long, long time.

People, north and south, made fortunes out of the business. All the while some of those making the most money were proclaiming that they “denounced the practice in the strongest possible terms!” (shaking their fist)

Southern interests lost the fortunes they made out of slavery. The North intends to keep their fortunes. And they intend to keep it a secret too.

“The North intends to keep their fortunes. And they intend to keep it a secret too.”

I'm not sure if this supports my point or not (because I don't know if the ancestors of the actor that goes by the name of Ben Affleck were from the North or South).

In any event, Mr. Affleck is a northern boy (well Berkeley) and attended the University of Vermont. He definitely has slave owner privileges. He needs to pay. And give back those awards.

From the main stream media:

“Ben Affleck is owning up to coercing “Finding Your Roots” producers to omit the fact one of his ancestors owned slaves — and admits he was embarrassed by the discovery.

“Affleck copped to lobbying the PBS show to hold the slavery — which it did — because “the very thought left a bad taste in my mouth.” In the apology, posted on Facebook, he says participating in the show makes you vulnerable ... and he assumed it would not “include things you think would embarrass your family.”

“The cover-up only came to light when WikiLeaks posted hacked Sony emails between Ben and show execs.”