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To: Partisan Gunslinger
Ancestor worship I guess. There's no way their great grandpappies could've made any mistakes. lol

Didn't have any ancestors here during that war. Mine came across the Atlantic at the turn of the 20th Century. I also don't live in a Former Confederate state. I have absolutely no reason to favor one side over the other except for what happens to be the actual truth.

I am objective, but because I don't engage in worshiping *YOUR* ancestors, (whom I presume to be on the Union side) You don't want to hear what an objective person has to say.

The Ugly reality is that the South had a right to leave, and the Union was completely in the wrong by forcing it back into the Union.

Adding the goal of stopping slavery two years after the war had started does not morally justify the evil part of what was done.

History and Reason do not condone the "selling of indulgences". You don't get absolution for doing evil, just because you later did good, and especially when you do good for the wrong reasons.

870 posted on 08/03/2015 10:38:51 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
Didn't have any ancestors here during that war. Mine came across the Atlantic at the turn of the 20th Century. I also don't live in a Former Confederate state. I have absolutely no reason to favor one side over the other except for what happens to be the actual truth. I am objective, but because I don't engage in worshiping *YOUR* ancestors, (whom I presume to be on the Union side) You don't want to hear what an objective person has to say.

If you were objective you would admit that trying to murder those at Sumter was an act of war.

The Ugly reality is that the South had a right to leave, and the Union was completely in the wrong by forcing it back into the Union.

The ugly reality for the South is that they signed an agreement, the Constitution, and didn't follow it in their attempted secession, following Article IV, then stole federal property, then tried to murder American troops, then declared war on the northern states.

Adding the goal of stopping slavery two years after the war had started does not morally justify the evil part of what was done.

Preservation of the union was the goal after the illegal secession, then prohibiting slavery was a fringe benefit.

History and Reason do not condone the "selling of indulgences". You don't get absolution for doing evil, just because you later did good, and especially when you do good for the wrong reasons.

The south was doing evil. Slavery was evil.

871 posted on 08/03/2015 11:58:20 AM PDT by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: DiogenesLamp
Didn't have any ancestors here during that war. Mine came across the Atlantic at the turn of the 20th Century.

Same old story, flee from the tyranny of the former country then try to turn America into what they had to flee from.

My paternal 5-G grandfather fought in the Revolution out of Norfolk.

872 posted on 08/03/2015 12:09:18 PM PDT by Partisan Gunslinger
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