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To: DiogenesLamp
Why do you keep trying to marginalize their rights with derogatories like "group of people".

Well, with all due respect, you force me to say group of people because you never define what size or type of people are sufficient to have a God-given right to remove existing governments. Do you find some number in the Declaration of Independence? And, by what principle do you place a limit on that number - you know, for it to be a God-given right and all? This stuff isn't coming from the Declaration of Independence. It's coming from you.

You tell me who's "interests" got ignored in a manner differently from what the founders did, and you might have a point.

The movers and shakers who signed the Declaration of Independence did what they did without reference to the interests of the British government, the British people and every colonist who might have disagreed with them (whether they be Loyalists or not). Those interests were ignored. If everyone had agreed, there wouldn't have been a fight.

913 posted on 08/03/2015 4:20:00 PM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Tau Food
Well, with all due respect, you force me to say group of people because you never define what size or type of people are sufficient to have a God-given right to remove existing governments.

You are deliberately obfuscating. Why are you doing this?

Do you really want to have a discussion about the size and scope of a population necessary to exercise the right to declare independence as a sovereign state, or do you just throw crap like that out there just to churn the waters?

A principle in Math is that if a function defines a range, any number between the upper and lower boundaries is contained within that range.

Suffice it to say, if the Colonists represented a sufficient quantity, and it is axiomatic to the existence of our Nation that they do, then any population beyond that must be regarded as having exceeded this lower boundary, and it is therefore an appeal to triviality to put forth such statements as "bunch of my neighbors" or "group of people", in an attempt to compare with the rights of nine million people in 11 states.

It is not the argument of a rational man, it is the time wasting argument of a child, little different from "But he did it too!" In terms of relevance.

So let us cut right to the meat of the matter. By what argument can you claim that the ~2 1/2 million people in the 13 colonies be sufficient, but the 9 million in the 11 Southern states is insufficient?

918 posted on 08/03/2015 4:37:31 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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