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To: Brass Lamp

The idea that private property ownership entails a “natural right” to secede from the nation in which that private real property is physically located is just pure nonsense. And to suggest that anyone who doesn’t believe that nonsense is a socialist or a communist is just plain nuts.

There is a political entity called the sovereign people of the United States. Both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States were executed in their name, and ultimately, by their will and authority.


944 posted on 08/04/2015 8:38:45 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
And here you are.

The idea that private property ownership entails a “natural right” to secede from the nation in which that private real property is physically located is just pure nonsense. And to suggest that anyone who doesn’t believe that nonsense is a socialist or a communist is just plain nuts.

In your previous post, you unintentionally conceded that the difference between secession and immigration is the withdrawal of the physical property. I won't let you take the back. I've only proposed that someone who is ideologically defined as a socialist should be nominated as one as well.

There is a political entity called the sovereign people of the United States.

It is an indestructible fact of history that the whole point of the Fourteenth Amendment was to define a type of super-national citizenship which had not previously existed.

Both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States were executed in their name, and ultimately, by their will and authority.

And in all foundational documents the term "United States" is grammatically plural, not singular. No, there was not a single sovereign political entity called "the People of the United States". The idea is anachronistic and revisionist. It is an indestructible fact of history that the whole point of the Fourteenth Amendment was to define a type of super-national citizenship which had not previously existed.

948 posted on 08/04/2015 9:23:26 PM PDT by Brass Lamp
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