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To: dayglored

I have a BS, MS in CS.

W10 was NOT designed for embedded use.

Linux can be recompiled into a distribution targeting either embedded or desktop or server. In addition, the code for linux has long been processor independent.

Windows fairly recently (a handful of years ago) added ARM support. the initial ports were pretty bad.

We won’t even get into the stuff Windows does in the “background” that you don’t want it to do. Ever watch your hard drive light or monitor your network while your windows computer is supposedly doing nothing? You will find it’s doing “stuff”. In Windows 10, that includes even more spying.

Enjoy yourself swimming in the cesspool of Windows. Also, all the windows jobs are going away, as windows moves to the cloud. It’s a useless skill to learn. If you learn a real OS, you have a profession instead of a skill


25 posted on 09/29/2015 6:58:57 AM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: BereanBrain
> I have a BS, MS in CS. W10 was NOT designed for embedded use.

We don't disagree on that. (And BTW my background is here. I was doing embedded systems from the late 1970's through about 2005.)

> Ever watch your hard drive light or monitor your network while your windows computer is supposedly doing nothing? You will find it’s doing “stuff”. In Windows 10, that includes even more spying.

Again, we don't disagree. OTOH, the same is true on my Linux and OS X systems. There's always some amount of system stuff going on; granted that it's mostly the disks and rarely involves the network.

Embedded systems typically are truly quiescent when not doing something substantive. If nothing else it saves energy (my spacecraft ACS CPUs typically slept whenever possible for that reason).

The reason I think it's cool that Win10 is being shoehorned into a RPi is that it will force Windows folks to think small, think efficient, etc. all of which are Good Things. Windows programmers and architects have for decades worked with the assumption that CPUs scream, disks are infinite, memory is infinite, etc. It's about time they had a real challenge, IMO.

So while Win10 might not be a great first choice for an embedded system -at present-, it's an excellent move to learn with. I believe that long-term it will improve Windows, which is a good thing for the world in general.

27 posted on 09/29/2015 8:23:56 AM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: BereanBrain
Enjoy yourself swimming in the cesspool of Windows. Also, all the windows jobs are going away, as windows moves to the cloud. It’s a useless skill to learn. If you learn a real OS, you have a profession instead of a skill

That doesn't make any sense to me. All moving to the cloud does is relocate the endpoint. The days of the "right-click" admin are over, but all the management requirements are still there. The physical constraints of the cloud (potentially high latency and restricted bandwidth of the management channel) dictate that the admins will have to adapt to a new toolset, but the jobs aren't going away unless people just quit developing for and using the OS.

32 posted on 10/01/2015 3:49:27 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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