Posted on 12/03/2015 5:07:45 AM PST by 2nd Amendment
Not sure about the deer hunting with a 223/556 platform. If it is for home defense, you will have no problem staying within the 750 easily. Just be careful to not go with the bottom end of the pricing scale as most suitable ones start around 600.
BTW, for home defense, I recommend a shotgun or a pistol caliber carbine.
LRs i.e. 308s et al may be a bit more than 750 for anything decent. Think closer to 900 but I don’t recommend using a 30 cal for home defense unless you live on a farm. Also most states have magazine limits for hunting.
In summary, If I were set on a defense rifel, I’d get a 556 (can fire 223 rounds but 223s are not recommended for .556 ammo) as the ammo is relatively cheap and it also makes for a nice range day.
In Pville ?
The last gun show I attended had dozens of AR type rifles.
You might want to look at the DPMS Oracle. I have one in 5.56 but they also make one in 7.62x51 that runs in the price range your looking for. My 5.56 Oracle is a fine rifle but the trigger had to go. Once that was done it easily shot 1- 1 1/2 inch groups. My 308/7.62x51 is the DPMS LR model and it came with a 2 stage trigger, also more than what you budgeting. The 308 Oracle with a drop in Rock River Arms stage match trigger will just about make you budget of 750. I’ve had no problems with either of my DPMS rifles.
Academy currently has the Smith & Wesson M&P 15 Sport in a package that comes with a 30 round Magpul mag and an autoloader for $680.
Cabelas has/had the same package at $600, but you may have trouble finding a store that still has any - no rainchecks and they won’t be getting any more in.
Not sure about the grouping size, but it’s a quality rifle from a respected manufacturer.
You can purchase an AR15 lower for well less than $100 and a kit for less than $500 and have a first rate weapon.
You might consider an AR platform in .300 AAC. The ammo is getting fairly available, it has plenty of power for deer, is made to also handle heavy bullets subsonic for a suppressor, and is accurate.
Downside is the ammo is more expensive.
You can also buy a separate upper in .223 if you like, but it won’t fit your budget now.
As it is illegal in many other states......the .223/5.56 is not a “kill” round for deer - unless your shots are perfect head or heart shots.....
How comfortable are you with building one?
As a bolt guy you’re going to have trouble finding one that shoots like a bolt gun for $750 but you can easily get 1.5” moa on most any AR.
If you’re comfortable assembling one, you can buy the precise components generally on sale and save a bit of cash. The only serialized part you need to deal with is the lower receiver. Those can be picked up for as low as $50. Decent complete uppers can be bought for $400. Toss a simple stock on it and spend the cash on a Hiperfire or Gieselle(Guys-lee) trigger and you’ll find it shoots a good bit smoother.
Just curious why you feel only an auto-loader meets your needs. What youve said so far wouldnt lead me to that conclusion.
That’s why there are caliber conversions. ;)
I don’t even own a 223 capable AR but I have a few ar15s.
Yes the market here too has been buyer friendly.
So many people bought in when Obama was elected, and after every well-publicized shooting, etc.
Now lots of them seem to want to sell the weapon they have never used.
I’m in Montana and small used-gun sales shops have great buys available. Same thing, as I say, with the website armslist.
I just looked at Montana Armslist and there are several good guns at low prices, the sellers throwing in some ammo, etc.
I would think Second Amendment could go to most any small gunshop guy and get a good deal. If the prices seem high, move on to the next.
A new Remington 870 Express for the home is selling for as little as $250.00.
This boating accident crap was funny the first time Abe Lincoln posted it but no more. If you are afraid of the government sell your guns and be done with it.
https://www.palmettostatearmory.com/
Wait for one of their “blemished” stripped lower deals. They have one now for 59.99. Depending on where you are and how much your FFL charges, it should cost around 90.00. Their uppers are usually 350.00. A lower kit is about 75.00.
Heck, right now they have a full rifle for 550.00 and free shipping (you still have to ship to an FFL). It’s chambered in 5.56 which is what you want because you can shoot either 223 or 5.56. It also has a 1:7 twist.
Some other things to look for:
Chrome lined barrel
Forward assist and dust cover
Do you want A2 barrel vs M4 barrel?
If you buy an upper, make sure you check if it comes with “bolt carrier group” and “charging handle.” If you see one that’s way cheaper than others, it usually means it has no BCG or CH.
Easier than changed a tire. Youtube videos.
I saw in Shooters(Jacksonville) pump action shotguns for $218 on Monday.
In AR15, I particularly like the 6.5 Grendel. A ballistically solid round with decent legs. Can be used for hunting and self defense.
I picked up one of the black rifles and illuminated the bore with a small flashlight.
I think you may be right; the gun likely had never been fired.
You have to watch out for ammo availability and price for some of the non military rounds. 30-06 has been around for almost 107 years and is quite available.
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