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The No-Fly-No-Buy List
Original Material | 12/6/2015 | By Laz A. Mataz

Posted on 12/06/2015 5:28:32 PM PST by Lazamataz

So, the Big Speech is over. Obama spoke from the Oval Office about the domestic Islamic terrorism that occurred in San Bernadino a few days ago.

Many gun owners, myself included, dreaded this speech as the possible introduction point for unconstitutional Executive Orders on firearms. The Executive Order (excuse me, 'Executive Action') floated most heavily was to bring private firearms sales under the Brady Act. The announcement did not materialize.

One of two gun control urgings that did appear, however, is something I deem the "No-Fly-No-Buy List". In this effort, the present "No-Fly List" would be used to also deny the purchase of firearms to those people who are on that list.

Let us discuss the "No-Fly List". While, at first glance, it appears to be a useful tool to prevent terrorists from flying, it has a few characteristics that make it very Soviet-like:

This is an Un-Citizen-List. Placement on this list makes you an Un-Person, at least in regards to your ability to travel freely. That is not acceptable in a society like ours.

Now, along comes OTrauma, who pitches the idea -- not to REFORM this legal tool -- but to EXPAND it to include firearms purchases.

There is no due process. The present list must be reformed, not, instead, have its function expanded!

It is important that we do not let the "No-Fly List" become the "No-Fly-No-Buy List."


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To: Lazamataz

Heck no! The no fly list has no court trial and anyone can be put on it on a whim. Dems are disgusting.


21 posted on 12/06/2015 5:37:20 PM PST by Lady Heron
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To: Lazamataz

What’s ironic is his implied excoriation of Trump for wanting to create a list, while there exists already a suoer double secret list for no-fly....


22 posted on 12/06/2015 5:38:17 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy" 6Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Jim Robinson; Southack

I feel that, using some Political Judo, we can change the narrative from ‘Lets put gun owners on this list’, to

‘Hey, this list sucks, lets reform it, even if its only just for permission to fly.”


23 posted on 12/06/2015 5:38:42 PM PST by Lazamataz ( If they try firearm confiscation or gun registration, I go ballistic.)
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To: Lazamataz

Did anyone realistically expect our Muslim in Chief, after 7 years, to come up with any ideas even bordering on reality?


24 posted on 12/06/2015 5:38:45 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (As America struggles to determine if Brady's balls are under inflated Obama is stealing our country.)
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To: CodeToad

I look at it like this.

If the federal government insists upon importing muslim terrorists into this country, then muslim terrorists are going to have 2nd Amendment rights just like everyone else in this country has.

If the federal government doesn’t want muslim terrorists to be able to buy guys in America, THEN QUIT IMPORTING MUSLIM TERRORISTS INTO AMERICA!

Because we damn sure are not going to give up our civil right to bear arms, and we are not going to give you, the federal government the authority to decide who gets to have guns and who doesn’t, because you are UNTRUSTWORTHY, DEVIOUS, DISHONEST AND EVIL.


25 posted on 12/06/2015 5:38:56 PM PST by chris37 (heartless)
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To: Lazamataz
 
 
His 15 minutes or so of babbling was another big nothing burger without the bread. He may as well have been reading a phone book out loud. No leadership, no credible solutions, and what he does try to float as any possible course of action to take would do NOTHING to bad guys, but gum up the works for everyone else. The bastard is directly responsible for creating the very conditions for all this to happen, yet he will not nor ever will take responsibility for it.
 
 

26 posted on 12/06/2015 5:39:11 PM PST by lapsus calami (What's that stink? Code Pink ! ! And their buddy Murtha, too!)
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To: Lazamataz

Damnit!!!!

I’m even the Laz list!!!

Stop the world!!! I want off!!!


27 posted on 12/06/2015 5:39:47 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy" 6Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Jim Robinson

Exactly.

The PC brainwashing in this country has so thoroughly addled the thinking of Americans that most US citizens accept as truth the following points:

1. It is America’s responsibility to impose justice, freedom, and prosperity throughout the world.
2. All people of world have the same rights in the US Constitution as US citizens.

We have no obligation to help other countries, especially when we no longer have the resources to do so and especially when those countries resent the ideals of Western Civilization and see our attempts to help them as a form of colonialism.

Only US citizens have the rights and protections enumerated in (safeguarded but not granted by) the US Constitution.

I believe in natural rights. But other countries must first set up their system of governance in accordance with natural rights. From that, they can construct a constitution that gives them the same rights that we have.

But they do not have our rights (such as living here, welfare, etc.) and we are not obligated to set other countries in order.


28 posted on 12/06/2015 5:40:28 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Carter...Reagan...Bush...Clinton....Bush....Carter....BUSH? / CLINTON? STOP THE INSANITY!)
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To: Lady Heron

Agree completely. See my previous posts to this thread.


29 posted on 12/06/2015 5:41:20 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Carter...Reagan...Bush...Clinton....Bush....Carter....BUSH? / CLINTON? STOP THE INSANITY!)
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To: Lazamataz

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/06/25/judge-rules-no-fly-list-unconstitutional/


30 posted on 12/06/2015 5:41:20 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Lazamataz
Nazis had lists too...


31 posted on 12/06/2015 5:41:31 PM PST by TADSLOS (A Ted Cruz Happy Warrior! GO TED!)
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To: smokingfrog

Ya well that sure went somewhere, huh. :/


32 posted on 12/06/2015 5:42:02 PM PST by Lazamataz ( If they try firearm confiscation or gun registration, I go ballistic.)
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To: rktman
“Yeah, I sucked it up and watched the lyin' king spurt his numerous lies.”

I don't know how you did it. I haven't watched him even once since he was elected in 2008, not a moment. I refuse. I do the “na-na-na-na” thing with my fingers in my ears or trip over the damn obstacles on the way to the radio to shut if off. I can't stand the sight or sound of him. He's not my President, and he NEVER will be. I'm electing to scrub 8 years of my life away rather than admit him into it. In short, I don't know how you did it.

33 posted on 12/06/2015 5:42:28 PM PST by IAMNO1 (Enough with the divisions. Lets get somebody in there who'll fix this mess.)
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To: lapsus calami
His 15 minutes or so of babbling was another big nothing burger without the bread.

Pretty much. I'm just delighted that ammo prices are unlikely to shoot up again. :)

34 posted on 12/06/2015 5:42:54 PM PST by Lazamataz ( If they try firearm confiscation or gun registration, I go ballistic.)
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To: Lazamataz
You are correct. The fascists will abuse the no-fly list to restrict gun rights. They've used all the federal agencies to punish those who they see as enemies.
35 posted on 12/06/2015 5:43:00 PM PST by 50mm (Trust nobody and you'll never be disappointed.)
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To: rktman
Then of course he brought up the “no fly/no buy” list. So, who makes the list up? Any process to try to get off if you’re on? Arbitrary and capricious BS.

The fact that the President proposed it means either:

a. He doesn't know better...and is constitutionally ignorant.

b. Or he does know better...and is constitutionally cynical.

36 posted on 12/06/2015 5:43:51 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media .IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Lazamataz

I wonder if anyone in the LSM will ever mention these critical facts about the no-fly list. Most of the public think the no-fly, no buy list is peachy-keen.


37 posted on 12/06/2015 5:44:01 PM PST by austingirl
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To: IAMNO1

I managed to watch it. It wasn’t the big train wreck I was expecting to see. The first 5 minutes, the words he spoke could have come out of G.W. Bush’s mouth. He got some very good coaching on how to lie well!


38 posted on 12/06/2015 5:44:24 PM PST by Lazamataz ( If they try firearm confiscation or gun registration, I go ballistic.)
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To: 50mm

It’s not gonna happen. His urging was lame, at best, and anyone in-the-know will be calling reps and keeping it from going forward.


39 posted on 12/06/2015 5:45:17 PM PST by Lazamataz ( If they try firearm confiscation or gun registration, I go ballistic.)
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To: austingirl
I wonder if anyone in the LSM will ever mention these critical facts about the no-fly list. Most of the public think the no-fly, no buy list is peachy-keen.

It is up to us. Inform everyone. Post it on Facebook. Tell your friends. Send blast emails.

40 posted on 12/06/2015 5:46:04 PM PST by Lazamataz ( If they try firearm confiscation or gun registration, I go ballistic.)
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