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1 posted on 12/13/2015 11:44:09 AM PST by conservativejoy
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2 posted on 12/13/2015 11:49:27 AM PST by loungitude (The truth hurts.)
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Cruz is right on this issue. I do wish that Trump and Cruz would lay off each other. One of them is going to be the candidate and I want them in good shape.


3 posted on 12/13/2015 11:50:01 AM PST by Oldexpat
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I totally disagree with Trump on this issue.

But the only issue that I am voting on is immigration.

That is the only issue that matters


4 posted on 12/13/2015 11:52:28 AM PST by RFEngineer
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Trump: If you like Corporate Welfare for the Chamber of Crony Capitalists, Vote for ME!


6 posted on 12/13/2015 11:53:18 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (0bama "more interested in promoting homosexuality in the military than he is in defeating our enemy")
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Not with you on this one, Donald. Pork is pork and is the sign of a fattened government.


7 posted on 12/13/2015 11:53:50 AM PST by Psalm 144 (The mill grinds exceedingly fine.)
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Populist Demagogue (Trump) vs Principled Conservative (Cruz)

It’s becoming clear now.


9 posted on 12/13/2015 11:58:36 AM PST by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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It’s a Mandate to require use of Ethanol, not a Subsidy.

Don’t agree with Mandates, but this is a non issue. There is NO Congress that will get rid of the Ethanol Mandate in Fuel.

As I said before, Republican Senator Chuck Grassley is the King of Ethanol and his successor, Democrat or Republican will follow in that tradition.


10 posted on 12/13/2015 11:58:55 AM PST by Kickass Conservative (Obama, unable to call a Spade a Spade...)
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Trump needs to get on board with Cruz on ethanol subsidies. They’re costing all of us billions. Eliminate them, let the free market sort it out.


13 posted on 12/13/2015 12:01:37 PM PST by smoothsailing
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Government subsidies and mandates for ethanol destroy liberty and distort economic signals. They also have the effect of tying the price of food to the substitution price of hydrocarbons from oil. In a time when the federal government is printing or borrowing over 40% of the money it spends, a balanced budget can only be achieved by cutting every possible subsidy.


15 posted on 12/13/2015 12:02:13 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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From what I have seen, Trump has only come out in favor of ethanol. Nowhere has he actually stated that he supports mandates and subsidies specifically...or am I mistaken?


19 posted on 12/13/2015 12:06:20 PM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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As an alternative, instead of offering agribusiness huge subsidies to produce ethanol, how about offering them a free market, a brand *new* free market, using marginal land instead of their high quality farmland, to make them billions of dollars?

This means to open the floodgates to legal hemp production.

In its first few years of full production, hemp might generate between $3-12 billion dollars to the economy, for products to include paper, textiles, oil, high quality animal fodder, and many other products. It would also employ one or two hundred thousand Americans.


20 posted on 12/13/2015 12:07:56 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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http://www.wsj.com/articles/dirty-rotten-ethanol-scoundrels-1433716070


25 posted on 12/13/2015 12:12:24 PM PST by smoothsailing
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Donald Trump attacked Ted Cruz for not supporting ethanol subsidies

I'm sold. Cruz now has my vote.

30 posted on 12/13/2015 12:17:34 PM PST by Hoodat (Article 4, Section 4)
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Thank you for referencing that article conservativejoy. Please bear in mind that the following critique is directed at the article and not at you.

Yes, constitutionally low-information Trump is wrong about ethanol subsidies and Harvard Law School-indoctrinated Cruz is right. But it is too bad that Cruz evidently cannot substantiate his stance against ethanol with the following excerpts from Supreme Court case decisions by previous generations of pro-state sovereignty justices.


33 posted on 12/13/2015 12:20:43 PM PST by Amendment10
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I'm from Indiana and we produce a LOT of ethanol but I,too, am against subsidies....too much of it damages your car, it provides much fewer MPG than does gasoline, the government should not support anything like this, it is counter-productive and contributes nothing to the environment.

Corn, used for ethanol production is a crop.....the field is plowed and planted using gasoline or diesel powered tractors.....fertilizer is spread with the same tractors, pest control agents the same way, or at best, by gasoline powered aircraft. Harvesting equipment again use the same tractors and the trucks which haul the corn to the cribs are diesel powered.I assume that the equipment used to grind the corn and turn it into ethanol are powered by electricity which is usually generated by burning coal. The ethanol is then hauled, by a diesel powered truck or by diesel powered train, to a refinery where it is mixed with gasoline by using electric powered equipment.....

somewhere in there, someone has decided that there is some benefit....I don't see it.....and it consumes billions of taxpayers dollars.

35 posted on 12/13/2015 12:23:49 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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We should not be subsidizing the burning of food.


37 posted on 12/13/2015 12:27:41 PM PST by BuffaloJack (ISLAM is the ENEMY.)
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What really bugs me is that the “outrageous” things that people talk about - he didn’t even say! But stuff like this should INFURIATE any conservative or green lefty. Yet, no one cares. It’s all a big show.

Remember that old MST3K? “They just didn’t care!” That’s Presidential politics for the past twenty years.


41 posted on 12/13/2015 12:34:55 PM PST by Forgotten Amendments (Nessie ... Sasquatch ... The Free Syrian Army ...)
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Shut up, Donald. You’re burning big bridges here


42 posted on 12/13/2015 12:38:16 PM PST by surroundedbyblue (Proud to be an Infidel)
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I agree with Cruz on farm welfare and the theft of the food supply.


47 posted on 12/13/2015 1:02:50 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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That is it, Trump is a media whore who will say anything to stay ahead. Ethanol is the dumbest thing ever and he likes it.
50 posted on 12/13/2015 1:10:56 PM PST by hadaclueonce (I thought Ethanol was the devil, now i find it is America is an Oligarchy)
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