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To: Bryanw92
Not the same as “asking for forgiveness”. We believe that the Sovereign God chose to forgive us for all past, present, and future sins before we were even born and that Jesus washed us clean on the cross 2000 years ago. 

 

Jesus' own words contradict that:

Luke 17:1-4

17 Jesus said to his disciples: "Things that cause people to sin are bound to come, but woe to that person through whom they come. 2 It would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around his neck than for him to cause one of these little ones to sin. 3 So watch yourselves.

"If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him. 4 If he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times comes back to you and says, 'I repent,' forgive him."
NIV

Forgiveness is conditional upon repentance.  

Bad news for the folks who've been deceived into perverting forgiveness of sin into permission to sin.

30 posted on 02/20/2016 2:31:43 PM PST by HLPhat (Preventing Global Cooling one tank full at a time!)
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To: HLPhat

>>Jesus’ own words contradict that:

No, they don’t. That’s the danger of being a proof text Christian. You search the bible for that one verse that proves that you are right, ignoring everything else.

Presbyterians practice a systematic theology, which is an understanding of the full scripture. We don’t throw proof texts around and engage in proof text battles to prove our points.

If you were required to beg forgiveness for your sins, you would fail. You would always miss one or have that one that you do not consider a sin even though God does. And if he gave you a pass on the ones you missed, then he is not just. How many would you have to miss for him to say, “Nope. That was one too many.”

The emptiness of the proof text Christianity can be found in your understanding of grace, forgiveness, and salvation as you keep thinking that you need to do something to make it all happen. It is so ludicrous that the creator of the universe needs you to utter a phrase to unlock his grace. It’s actually insulting and borders on blasphemy.

If I gave you a giant mansion as a gift and said, “Take this. It is yours.” would you respond with “What do I owe you?”

I answer, “Nothing. It is my gift to you. I built this for you.”

But you insist, “No. I must pay you something. What is it worth?”

I say, “3.5 million dollars.”

You respond, “Oh. I can’t afford that. But, I can give you $100.”

If I take the $100, you can claim that you paid for the house and the generosity of my gift is ruined.

Your pitiful begging for forgiveness for sins already forgiven AND FORGOTTEN are an insult to he who forgave you already.


31 posted on 02/20/2016 3:02:26 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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