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Army boss takes aim at bureaucracy over sidearm choices
Fox News ^ | 12 Mar, 2016 | Perry Chiaramonte

Posted on 03/13/2016 11:52:52 AM PDT by MtnClimber

When it comes to handguns, the U.S. Army wants the weapon of its choice, not whatever pistol the Pentagon's Byzantine procurement process draws.

The Pentagon is currently mulling over a host of proposals to replace the M9 9mm sidearms soldiers have carried since 1985 - when those guns replaced the venerable Colt 1911s that had been fixtures for decades. Army Chief of Staff Gen. Mark Milley opened fire on the process at the Future of War Conference, saying he has asked Congress to grant service chiefs the authority to make the call.

"We are not exactly redesigning how to go to the moon, right?" Milley said at the conference according to Military.com. "This is a pistol. ... And arguably, it is the least lethal and important weapon system in the Department of Defense inventory."

Milley did not say what his preference is, but soldiers are understanably picky about their firearms. And even though the handgun is often a last resort in combat, feelings run strong about them. And skepticism about a procurement process that must ultimately go through Congress is equally deep.

"Anything that Congress comes up with might not be the best choice,” Erik Shaw, an Iraq War Army veteran and firearms expert, told FoxNews.com.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: banglist; dod; guns
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1 posted on 03/13/2016 11:52:52 AM PDT by MtnClimber
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To: MtnClimber

If it was me I would want a high-capacity 45 ACP.


2 posted on 03/13/2016 11:54:00 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: MtnClimber

They went from .45 to 9mm what’s next a pellet gun?


3 posted on 03/13/2016 11:57:58 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (The most vocal supporters of a good con man are the victims.)
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To: MtnClimber

Yup, can’t go wrong with a Glock.


4 posted on 03/13/2016 11:58:31 AM PDT by PROCON
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To: PROCON

Glock 21 and Glock 30 would be great choices.


5 posted on 03/13/2016 12:01:18 PM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: MtnClimber

I cast my vote for the Colt SAA.


6 posted on 03/13/2016 12:03:55 PM PDT by OKSooner (Eh?)
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To: MtnClimber

I agree, the larger caliber is preferable.


7 posted on 03/13/2016 12:05:22 PM PDT by PROCON
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To: Mike Darancette

Nerf. .with child warning labels.

Under Obozo we don’t want to hurt anyone.


8 posted on 03/13/2016 12:06:09 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: Mike Darancette

Oh, and ‘environmentally’ friendly, too.


9 posted on 03/13/2016 12:06:43 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: MtnClimber

I read somewhere that they were considering going to hollow points. The G17, G19, SIG 320, H&K VP9, FNS or many other existing COT 9mm handguns would be fine if they did that.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/07/09/army-consider-hollow-point-bullets-new-pistol/29936073/


10 posted on 03/13/2016 12:08:07 PM PDT by jospehm20
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To: Mike Darancette
They went from .45 to 9mm what’s next a pellet gun?

I believe Sen Zell Miller (D, GA) - last of the good dems, said that if the radical dems had their way, it would be "spit wads".

11 posted on 03/13/2016 12:08:27 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (My Forefathers Would Be Shooting By Now!)
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To: MtnClimber

Large calibers require large hands.
Unintended consequences of valuing gender politics over warfighting requirements.


12 posted on 03/13/2016 12:09:25 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ("Get the he11 out of my way!" - John Galt)
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To: MtnClimber
The choice of libs everywhere:

13 posted on 03/13/2016 12:13:33 PM PDT by twister881
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To: jospehm20

I agree that 9mm would be OK with expanding bullets. The self defense ammo, including 9mm has greatly improved in recent years. With FMJ I would go with .45 ACP.


14 posted on 03/13/2016 12:17:15 PM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: twister881

Top loading, polymer frame, straight slide trigger, high-visibility color, compact size.

What’s not to like?


15 posted on 03/13/2016 12:18:19 PM PDT by Rinnwald
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To: jospehm20

Geneva Convention against HP but it IS ALLOWED against terrorism ........I’m still in possession of the letter that allowed me such ammunition before I retired.


16 posted on 03/13/2016 12:18:52 PM PDT by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: MtnClimber

I agree but then you run into the whole 5 ft. tall girls can’t shoot well with a .45. I work on Army stuff and there are some 5 ft. tall women soldiers running around.


17 posted on 03/13/2016 12:19:45 PM PDT by jospehm20
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What difference does it make?

They could issue anything from a .500 S&W down to an airsoft. The idiotic ROE’s that they have been saddled with for decades (and especially the last eight years) makes the choice of guns almost a moot point.


18 posted on 03/13/2016 12:21:15 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: Squantos

It is not a Geneva Convention issue. It is the Hague Convention that forbids expanding bullets and we are not a signatory to the Hague Convention.


19 posted on 03/13/2016 12:21:42 PM PDT by jospehm20
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To: Hulka

You left out organic, biodegradeable and “fair trade”.


20 posted on 03/13/2016 12:22:14 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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