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Pioneering Neuroscientist Wilder Penfield: Why Don't We Have Intellectual Seizures?
Evolution News and Views ^ | April 21, 2016 | Michael Egnor

Posted on 04/21/2016 12:30:08 PM PDT by Heartlander

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1 posted on 04/21/2016 12:30:08 PM PDT by Heartlander
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To: Heartlander

What, people don’t have those?

I feel like I have them all the time!


2 posted on 04/21/2016 12:35:25 PM PDT by rlmorel ("Irrational violence against muslims" is a myth, but "Irrational violence against non-muslims" isn't)
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To: rlmorel

Brain farts?


3 posted on 04/21/2016 12:37:46 PM PDT by shotgun
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To: Heartlander

Well, maybe it’s because abstract thoughts, and more generally the “mind”, aren’t the product of a single specific area of the brain. If abstract thought and consciousness are the product of an amalgamation of several areas of the brain working in concert, you’d have to have some kind of distributed seizure in order to provoke involuntary complex or abstract cogitation. On further consideration, involuntary abstract thought sounds a lot like having a dream. Is our sleep really just a massive, hours-long full-brain seizure?


4 posted on 04/21/2016 12:39:01 PM PDT by Little Pig
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To: Heartlander

Mind exists apart from the brain. Buddhism 101.


5 posted on 04/21/2016 12:43:19 PM PDT by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason and rule of law. Prepare!)
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To: Heartlander

Higher consciousness is an emergent property of a sufficiently complex neural network, not the function of any one mechanism.


6 posted on 04/21/2016 12:49:23 PM PDT by thoughtomator
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To: TigersEye
Mind exists apart from the brain. Buddhism 101.

The brain is just a collection of cells...just like the heart,lungs,liver,kidneys,etc.A chemical/physiological abnormality can cause profound alterations in thinking and perception.

7 posted on 04/21/2016 12:50:28 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Obamanomics:Trickle Up Poverty)
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To: Gay State Conservative
The brain is just a collection of cells...just like the heart,lungs,liver,kidneys,etc.A chemical/physiological abnormality in any of those organs can cause profound alterations in thinking and perception.
8 posted on 04/21/2016 12:52:06 PM PDT by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason and rule of law. Prepare!)
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To: Talisker

Ping to an extension of the brief conversation we had yesterday - my apologies, I had to break it off before it got to the interesting bits.


9 posted on 04/21/2016 12:54:00 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: shotgun

Lol, yes!


10 posted on 04/21/2016 12:58:20 PM PDT by rlmorel ("Irrational violence against muslims" is a myth, but "Irrational violence against non-muslims" isn't)
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To: Heartlander
Penfield began his career as a materialist, convinced that the mind was wholly a product of the brain. He finished his career as an emphatic dualist.

the falsity of materialism is why secular humanism with its denial of consciousness is a bad premise to base the foundation of libtardism on.

11 posted on 04/21/2016 1:00:50 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: Heartlander
Is he kidding me? I know of one guy who had been in intellectual status epilepticus for the last 7 years, minimum.


12 posted on 04/21/2016 1:07:06 PM PDT by Gamecock ( Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul...Matthew 10:28)
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To: rlmorel
Do you ever stop to think. . . .

and then have trouble getting started?

I do.

13 posted on 04/21/2016 1:10:12 PM PDT by BipolarBob (I'm so open minded that you should only think like me.)
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To: All

You are a spirit. You live in a body. The brain is the interface unit.


14 posted on 04/21/2016 1:10:29 PM PDT by TheTimeOfMan (Three Percenter - Cruz/West)
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To: Heartlander

to put it in computer terms ....his mapping of the brain told him that brain handled the io and handle the memory but it didn’t deal with the actual CPU function


15 posted on 04/21/2016 1:21:21 PM PDT by tophat9000 (King G(OP)eorge III has no idea why the Americans are in rebellion... teach him why)
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To: Heartlander

abstract thought could be just an aberration to begin with and makes no difference in the procreation of the species.


16 posted on 04/21/2016 1:24:56 PM PDT by HWGruene (REMEMBER THE ALAMO! Really, no kidding.)
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To: thoughtomator; Billthedrill
Higher consciousness is an emergent property of a sufficiently complex neural network, not the function of any one mechanism.

There are enough undefined terms in that sentence to make HAL start slamming doors on astronauts.

17 posted on 04/21/2016 1:53:24 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker

Truth.

And yet, the statement still has meaningful semantic content.

Call it a metametaphor.


18 posted on 04/21/2016 2:07:36 PM PDT by thoughtomator
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To: thoughtomator

My problem with it is that through implication it suggests that consciousness is actually created by emergence. More properly, we can only say that a sufficiently complex system enables the emergence of measurable, or even detectable, consciousness. A rock, for example, could be fully conscious. But how would we know? It has no known mechanism to express that consciousness.


19 posted on 04/21/2016 2:13:35 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker

The definition of consciousness is a slippery one, for sure. Maybe on some extremely rudimentary level, even a single atom has consciousness, or even its component parts.

Given simple physical instances of electrical charge like electrons and protons, atoms are composed which have properties no electron nor proton has. From where do these atomic-level properties come from? I would say they are emergent properties.

On a far larger scale we have simple neurons and to a large degree we do understand how they work as individual neurons. Get a bunch of these simple, understandable neurons together, however, and they are able to function in ways that we can’t even begin to understand.

Whether the properties of the configuration of individual parts are latent within those parts is not terribly important if the only way those properties can be expressed is through the configuration of a multitude of them. The exact mechanism need not be known to observe that collections of neurons can think while a single neuron may not, just as collections of fundamental particles can behave in ways a single particle may not. The recognition of emergent properties is something distinct from determining how exactly those properties emerge.


20 posted on 04/21/2016 2:32:36 PM PDT by thoughtomator
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