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To: JayGalt; xzins
I have checked and found that Trump was being interviewed by Savannah Guthrie. First, she asked if Trump would modify the GOP platform on abortion to include exceptions for the life of the mother, and for rape and for incest. He said that he would favor such exceptions as revisions to the abortion plank.

Guthrie then asked if he would favor a revision to add an exception for the health of the mother." To Trump's credit, he said no to that and that he would have exceptions ONLY for life of the mother, rape and incest. Therefore JayGalt's objection was correct and my assertion otherwise was wrong.

I apologize to JayGalt and to xzins and anyone else reading my error which I will make a point of not repeating unless Trump changes his mind in the future. I care far too much about the abortion issue to allow myself to be as sloppy as I have proven to be. I don't trust Trump on abortion but that is o excuse for posting what have proven to be untrue allegations about him. I am now relying on Lifesite News' account of this.

As to the three exceptions that Trump would make, I offer the following:

1. Life of the Mother. I would agree IF AND ONLY IF this exception is strictly limited to imminent PHYSICAL threats to the life of the mother. If the mother is affected by a tubal pregnancy, the developing fetus is already guaranteed to die within currently available technology. If the fetus is not removed the mother will die as well. Tubal pregnancies justify medical intervention that is deemed by the world generally as "abortion" but is actually intervention to save the only life that can be saved, the life of the mother. There are also rare cases of uterine cancers where similar standards MAY apply depending on the facts of the individual case. This exception will generally be quite rare and objectively provable. The moral principle of "double effect" is at work here.

2. Incest. If the mother is underage and the victim of sexual imposition by a close male relative, or any other male, we call that statutory rape and no additional "exception" is necessary for incest. If sexual relations occur on a consensual basis between close relatives, it is hardly the fault of the developing baby. In either event, this exception is not morally justified or logically justified. If the concern is that incest makes birth defects more likely, that does not justify killing the child. Most pregnancies resulting from incest result in normal children even if the circumstances are risky. If the child is not normal, that does not grant those already born some "right" to kill the child.

3. Rape. Rape is unquestionably a terrible crime and, in most jurisdictions statutes provide heavy punishments for it. Our emotions become engaged on behalf of a woman or girl who has been so wronged but emotions are not a reliable basis for law. The baby that this exception would allow to be dismembered is guilty of nothing. Allowing this exception amounts to saying: Fred mugged Sue so let's kill Mary!

The language of Trump quoted by JayGalt appears to be precisely correct and I was wrong.

109 posted on 04/22/2016 1:30:48 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em Danno!)
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To: BlackElk

Thank you for the followup. It is a serious issue for me as well and I am glad that the situation was as I thought. I hope that America will start the walk back from the precipice during the next Presidency with defunding of planned parenthood and prosecution of those engaging in the barbarous practices that have been exposed in the recent series of videos. As a Nation we need to embrace the defense of the smallest and weakest among us and not ignore the rights and the humanity of those inside the womb.


149 posted on 04/22/2016 8:27:03 PM PDT by JayGalt
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