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It’s Hard to Tell War Heroes From Paper-Pushers When Everybody Gets So Many Dumb Ribbons
War is Boring ^ | JAMES PERRY STEVENSON

Posted on 04/25/2016 7:36:14 AM PDT by glorgau

Time to reform the Pentagon’s award system

There has been a jarring addition to U.S. military uniforms since the end of World War II. Seventy years ago, high-ranking officers wore relatively few ribbons or medals — and awards for valor were rare. Go back farther to the Civil War, and it was common for officers to not wear military decorations at all.

But for the modern officer, it’s now possible to perform one’s duties without being a hero and still have a chest full of ribbons that are indecipherable to all but the most dedicated students of phaleristics.

Most of all, the typical 21st-century American general is a walking wall of multi-colored “great job” ribbons, none of which are awards for valor.

The ribbons have spread so widely that it has become difficult to differentiate heroes from bedecked bureaucrats, assignment-junkies and dedicated self-improvement types — which, I suppose, is partly the point.

The bureaucrats who added the great-job ribbons have ensured that some of these ribbons rank higher than do most medals for actual, individual acts of heroism.

(Excerpt) Read more at warisboring.com ...


TOPICS: Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: warmedals
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These guys are starting to look like pre- WW1 european royalty types...
1 posted on 04/25/2016 7:36:15 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: glorgau

Kind of like a military version of a participation trophy.


2 posted on 04/25/2016 7:38:09 AM PDT by Right Brother
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To: glorgau

Didn’t Obama propose a Medal for ‘restraint in combat’ or some such Leftist pursuit? Did that Medal ever come into being?


3 posted on 04/25/2016 7:38:18 AM PDT by originalbuckeye ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: glorgau

I’ve been retired for some time.

I still remember having to get a formal picture taken for my files. I was astonished at the number of ‘good job’ ribbons I was entitled to wear.

It was explained to me that it was very important that I wear all the ribbons in this photograph. Some members of promotion board would take a magnifying glass to inspect the photograph to ensure that all the ribbons wear there and in the proper order. Evidently, this inspection disclosed which officers paid attention to detail and were good candidates for promotion.


4 posted on 04/25/2016 7:44:16 AM PDT by DugwayDuke ("A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest")
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To: originalbuckeye

We also have lots of guys who have deployed numerous times in the last fifteen years. The burden has fallen unevenly on special ops.


5 posted on 04/25/2016 7:44:33 AM PDT by Oldexpat
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Everybody Gets So Many Dumb Ribbons
I'd like to say that my beloved Marine Corps is above this ribbon "inflation" BS, but I know they added two MOS ribbons years ago - DI and recruiter. Meh.
6 posted on 04/25/2016 7:45:01 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: glorgau

I also loved the civilian workers equivalent, the “I love me wall” which displayed all their awards including their time in service, diplomas, etc.


7 posted on 04/25/2016 7:46:32 AM PDT by DugwayDuke ("A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest")
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To: DugwayDuke

Not only that , but many of us saw cooks, desk pushers, , and pillow case issuers getting exactly the same medal as us when they did nothing and never were in danger.

Today they get ribbons for finishing training, doing good in shooting, hell the military is starting to look like the Mexican Generals with all these ribbons and medals.


8 posted on 04/25/2016 7:46:35 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: glorgau

That’s gotta P.O. the soldiers who earned their awards the hard way.


9 posted on 04/25/2016 7:47:10 AM PDT by W. (Screw it. Send in the Marines! NOW!)
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To: glorgau
Reminds me of this episode


10 posted on 04/25/2016 7:48:23 AM PDT by Donglalinger
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To: oh8eleven

Today you can d 4 years, get a bunch of ribbons and medals, never move away form your desk, get all your freebies, never have been in danger, never in a combat zone, and can still go ion Chi-fil-a to get their free burger and none of us know today what they have done , but it sure looks damn impressive.

how about getting medals for war torn zones and doing something brave, yea what a novel concept.


11 posted on 04/25/2016 7:48:43 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: glorgau

Eight years of active duty, I think I had a grand total of 3: National Service Defense (everyone gets that), Arcom, and MSM. Funny thing is, I got my MSM on my last day of active duty before going on terminal leave, have never worn my class A with it.


12 posted on 04/25/2016 7:49:16 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Mississippi! My vote went to Cruz.)
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To: glorgau

During the immediately post World War Two period the use of ribbons which did not have a form uniform medal equivalent evolved into a sort of resume shorthand.

You can tell how long someone has served, get a general idea of where they were probably stationed, whether they have discipline issues, how competent they are at their specialties, and more all from reading their ribbons.

The author is thinking of ribbons strictly as a measurement of Valor. While that was once the case, it isn’t now. The ribbon bar has become a sort of colorful fabric post-it note.


13 posted on 04/25/2016 7:52:02 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: glorgau

It used to be kind of a matter of pride to not wear a bunch of medals.

Here’s the story I was told.

There was a big congressional committee meeting and all the Services had big dogs at it. During a recess, one of the congressional staffers was talking to a General’s staffer.

“Are the Army guys not as brave as the other services?”, the congressional staffer asked.

“Of course they are”, the General’s staffer replied.

“Then why don’t they have as many medals as the other guys?”,

Civilians know what they see. You’re not brave unless you have lots of badges and ribbons.


14 posted on 04/25/2016 7:52:15 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Oldexpat

Yes, it has. I think the reason for that is Special Ops can be referred to as ‘advisors’ so they don’t have to admit ‘boots on the ground’. I still tear up when I think of all those SEALs lost on ONE helicopter in Afghanistan. I would LOVE to know who made the decision to put them all on ONE helicopter and who actually authorized that mission.


15 posted on 04/25/2016 7:52:38 AM PDT by originalbuckeye ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: glorgau
My great-uncle received a silver star for rescuing wounded soldiers under fire during (IIRC) the New Guinea campaign -- specifically, he somehow grabbed several Japanese soldiers and forced them at gunpoint to carry several wounded Americans to cover.

The impression I get from people I know who are vets of our recent/current conflicts is that a lot of people get a silver star for simply performing honorably and efficiently on a combat tour, without performing any particular act of derring-do.

16 posted on 04/25/2016 7:53:01 AM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: glorgau
Perhaps the Norks made us jealous?


17 posted on 04/25/2016 7:53:06 AM PDT by Dogbert41 (All the days of my life were written in your book before there was one of them!)
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To: glorgau
Here's a guy who had a bunch back when they meant something:


18 posted on 04/25/2016 7:54:31 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: glorgau

Some day they will have to halt this ‘Hero’ and ‘warrior’ worship. Recipients of a CMOH or Silver Star probably did something heroic to earn the title. Purple Heart recipients presumably earned it for shedding blood in battle, unless you’re John Kerry getting a grain of rice removed from under the skin. All medals can be tricked, officers (like kerry) can write up their own requests. The message of this OP is correct though, participation is not a medal earning event unless you’re on the 4yr old Tball team. Soldiers performing well under fire know how they did, they don’t have to deck out like a north korean dogcatcher to make the world see it.


19 posted on 04/25/2016 7:56:30 AM PDT by redcatcherb412
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To: DugwayDuke

What’s funny is the uniform regulations when I was in only required that you wear your top 3 awards. I watched a lot of my classmates get plenty of medals/ribbons for administrative stuff but it all depended on the CO.

There were the anti-award guys and the pro-award guys and plenty of careers were ruined by the anti’s just because of the different approaches.

I missed the comraderie of the service when I got out, but I sure didn’t miss the political bs.


20 posted on 04/25/2016 7:57:08 AM PDT by reed13k
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