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To: yarddog

[[He cannot possibly be as bad as Obama and he just might be the right man at the last chance.]]

There are many who truly and sincerely think Cruz would be better- but their view isn’t welcome here on Fr- The OP has a point about Cruz supporters being zotted for supporting Cruz- and the gleeful catcalls whenever they are- Hell- many actively call for the owner to zot cruz supporters- it’s like FR has become Berkley or something where opposing views are shouted down and the students demand that they not even be allowed to come and speak-

[[If it is going to be made well again it will take strong medicine.]]

Many believed, and still believe Cruz has that medicine, and think perhaps trump may be playing everyone- And on most forums these views are at least tolerated without the poster being banned like they are here- When folks tried asking why Cruz supporters were being banned, we got the excuse that they were banned for ‘trying to undermine trump and disjoint the party’ or something to that effect- and when I looked back through a few pages of those that were banned, I found no evidence of their being a ‘never-trump’ advocate or some of them trying to undermine anyone- Apparently having a different viewpoint than trump supporters now constitutes ‘trying to undermine the party’ around here- It couldn’t possibly be because people genuinely feel that Cruz has better domestic policies- better foreign policies- or is more conservative on important issues like abortion, gay issues, trans gender issues etc-

As conservatives, people ‘should be able to agree to disagree’; without going to the extreme of banning or calling for the banning of those whom they don’t’ agree with- but evidently that’s become a foreign concept here judging by what we’ve been witnessing these last few months— Strengthening hte party isn’t accomplished by banning everyone who doesn’t have the same conservative choice as one’s self- nor is it accomplished by supporters gleefully piling on those who have opposing views and calling for their banning- These types of actions are what is tearing the party apart- not strengthening it

but alas- it’s much more fun ripping someone a new one when you have the owner’s blessings to do so-


56 posted on 04/28/2016 9:44:12 PM PDT by Bob434
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To: Bob434

Noobie, go away. The only Cruz medicine is snake oil (made from the snakes he handles on Sundays, I guess.)


59 posted on 04/28/2016 9:52:37 PM PDT by gg188 (Ted Cruz, R - Goldman Sachs)
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To: Bob434

I appreciate and agree with your comments.

I’m not what they’re calling #nevertrump, but at this point, that’s only because I’m #neverhillary.


89 posted on 04/28/2016 10:48:32 PM PDT by Heart of Georgia
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To: Bob434
and when I looked back through a few pages of those that were banned, I found no evidence of their being a ‘never-trump’ advocate or some of them trying to undermine anyone

Well then you're still not paying attention, at least in the vast majority of cases.

Don't forget also, that when someone sez "Jim I hate you, you dirty Trump-loving SOB - #NeverTrump", that post itself could be deleted as well as a zot occurring.

But any attempt to push the false idea that people are being zotted merely for supporting Cruz is simply incorrect. Too many members have seen these raging flameouts with our own eyes.

We are each individuals, and moderator decisions, therefore, are unique to that individual. IMHO, the vast majority of zots have been richly deserved.

Jim is the only person with his finger on the zot button, as far as I know.

Some people, when they have lost an argument (whether based on fact, emotion, or both) exhibit a tendency to go antisocial and "flame out" in their self-rightious rage.

Either that, or they really are trying to be propaganda mouthpieces for the Establishment.

There's a debate that occurred in this community. The debate has been settled, and it has been settled with a massive amount of consensus, which has shifted from the early favorite, Ted Cruz, to the presumptive nominee, Donald Trump.

At some point, therefore, posting vehement and slanted propaganda becomes, in and of itself, a detriment to the community. When the owner of the site, therefore, announces new guidelines for what constitutes abuse of the forum, the "guidelines" should be honored, not pissed on.

This site is Moderated. If it weren't, any number of trolls (Leftist or otherwise) would have wrecked the place already.

My point is, JimRob is perfectly entitled to exercise editorial control over what gets published on his site, when he thinks it is merited. I, personally, happen to concur with his desire that his web site not be used as a conduit for Enemy/GOPe propaganda.

I don't think JimRob needs to be guilt-tripped for his actions, which were and are reasonable enough.

In short, I totally reject the accusations made by the vast-majority of those who have had their accounts suspended.

They'll get over their butthurt, and, unless their crimes are particularly egregious, they'll come back when they have gained a little more self-control.

Donald Trump has won, and the "NeverTrump"/Cruz fanboy flameouts are unnecessary at this point.

Vote Trump

91 posted on 04/28/2016 10:55:27 PM PDT by sargon (Vote Trump)
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To: Bob434
As conservatives, people ‘should be able to agree to disagree’; without going to the extreme of banning or calling for the banning of those whom they don’t’ agree with-

That is absolutely correct, and by in large has been honored. Unfortunately, you guys just can't help but add things like this:

... but evidently that’s become a foreign concept here judging by what we’ve been witnessing these last few months

Now I'll grant you that kind of snipe is largely "passive-aggressive," but many in the Cruz camp have dropped the "passive" part when their arguments fail to persuade.

Now I've been here a long time, so I feel quite comfortable analyzing trends, and the trend I've seen among Cruz supporters is to call for civility while fighting with everything they have to "win."

That is NOT how to practice civil disagreement!

Furthermore, only the delusional imagine they are being "agreeable" when the will not RESPECT "disagreement," nor will they concede. That is gainsaying their own hypocrisy, and fully deserving a ride on the lightening.

120 posted on 04/29/2016 3:37:24 AM PDT by papertyger (-/\/\/\-)
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