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Can Texas legally secede from the United States?
WFAA.COM ^ | 24 JUNE 2016 | ANERI PATTANI

Posted on 06/24/2016 6:15:44 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist

Hey, Texplainer: Britain voted to leave the European Union. Can Texas secede from the United States?

In the wake of Britain’s historic vote to leave the European Union - nicknamed "Brexit" - speculation of a Texit on the horizon have cropped up once again. The secessionist movement has a long history in the Lone Star state. Delegates for the Texas Republican Party even recently debated adding secessionist language to the party's platform. But is it actually legal for Texas to leave the United States?

Simply put, the answer is no. Historical and legal precedents make it clear that Texas could not pull off a Texit - at least not legally.

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1 posted on 06/24/2016 6:15:44 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
E-cubed, I don't know the answer to your question, but on a related note, can we possibly cut California loose?

"I am an American fighting man. I serve in the forces guarding our country and our way of life.
I am prepared to give my life in their defense."

3 posted on 06/24/2016 6:18:15 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN - 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

You are really asking for it.


4 posted on 06/24/2016 6:18:48 PM PDT by Seruzawa (All those memories will be lost, like tears in rain.)
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To: ConorMacNessa

We could sell California to China in exchange for forgiveness of debts.


5 posted on 06/24/2016 6:18:58 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Just make the US Texas


6 posted on 06/24/2016 6:20:10 PM PDT by butlerweave
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Texit?


7 posted on 06/24/2016 6:20:18 PM PDT by Yaelle (Make America Safe Again)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Any state can legally secede from the union. Period.


8 posted on 06/24/2016 6:20:48 PM PDT by Founding Father (The Pedophile moHAMmudd (PBUH---Pigblood be upon him); Charles Martel for President)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I was thinking that 50 years ago, the school that I went to taught us that Texas was the one state in the Union that could legally secede from the union.

Something about it being a sovereign nation, and it was written into the language of their statehood documents. Anyone else ever remember learning that?


9 posted on 06/24/2016 6:20:51 PM PDT by greeneyes
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

As a matter of law and original intent, the several States and the people (as individuals) retain all the rights and powers they do not explicitly delegate or renounce when the ratify the US Constitution.

Because the Anti-Federalists (rightly) feared that that fact might be forgotten, they asked for and got the Ninth And Tenth Amendments.


10 posted on 06/24/2016 6:21:35 PM PDT by sourcery (Without the right to self defense, there can be no rights at all.)
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To: ConorMacNessa
can we possibly cut California loose?

FR is based in CA. Who would you PING to if San Andreas decided to vomit?

11 posted on 06/24/2016 6:21:49 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Moderate Muslims are the fans cheering for blood during a hockey game)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Legal? At the rate we’re moving under Obama, “legal” won’t mean squat.


12 posted on 06/24/2016 6:22:08 PM PDT by TADSLOS
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Don’t we have this discussion every week or so?


13 posted on 06/24/2016 6:22:23 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (Ask Bernie supporters two questions: Who is rich. Who decides. In the past, that meant who died.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

No.

Today’s Texas is as liberals as San Francisco.

They waited too long.


14 posted on 06/24/2016 6:22:31 PM PDT by NoLibZone (The US is now as corrupt as Mexico. Hillary will be rewarded. The US is only a Goldman Brand now.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration_transcript.html

The Declaration of Independence

IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.—That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, —That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.—Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

The 56 signatures on the Declaration appear in the positions indicated:

15 posted on 06/24/2016 6:22:35 PM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: Founding Father

Well I dunno - Abe Lincoln had something to say about that.


16 posted on 06/24/2016 6:22:38 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("They Say That Nobody's Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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To: ConorMacNessa

We in downstate Illinois have asked for years how we can cut Chicago loose...

They say it’s the economic engine of the state. Well, how well would that engine run without any damn food?


17 posted on 06/24/2016 6:24:02 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: Seruzawa
You are really asking for it.

Look, I was listening to Andrew Willcow (I listen to Patriot Sirius on my lunch hour now instead of El Rushbo) and he was talking about how the federal government has completely overstepped its boundaries and that Brexit is a microcosm of what's happening to the U.S.) and he nailed it. States have given up their sovereignty to the federal government (that they created) in exchange for cash.

18 posted on 06/24/2016 6:24:19 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Moderate Muslims are the fans cheering for blood during a hockey game)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
But the other way might work. Given a solid majority in both houses and the presidency, a constitutional amendment to remove a state (e.g., Connecticut) might be feasible. Each "deadwood" state pruned would make it easier to remove the next.
19 posted on 06/24/2016 6:25:14 PM PDT by Ragnar54 (Obama replaced Osama as America's worst enemy and Al Qaeda's financier)
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To: Yaelle

Oooooooo I likey!!!!!!! I want a TEXit t-shirt! Heck I’m gonna make one up with fabric paint!! Most excellent !!!


20 posted on 06/24/2016 6:26:20 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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