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I certainly don't exclude myself from what I'm saying - I never have. My opinions about the meaning of the Bible are just that - my opinions.

On the contrary, you have expressed the strongest of views, going so far as to make accusations against James Dobson, Daniel and myself. When you said "what Dobson did was wrong," for instance, what did you believe your standard was for that? Your own, in disagreement with God's, or did you believe you were only stating and upholding God's standard? And if you believe that you were in agreement with God to say what Dobson did was wrong, on what basis? How did you come to that judgment?

You have also omitted, once again, any mention of how familiar you are with the Bible.

I don't hide behind the idea that the Bible is "saying" something, and I'm just reporting it. That, however, is exactly what I hear you doing and defending doing, and I don't accept it, from you, Daniel1212 or anyone else.

See above. And I will also add that it isn't "hiding behind the idea that the Bible is 'saying' something" to say something like "the Bible says..." or the "the Bible teaches." Go back to what I wrote to you about Hillary Clinton and Jesus saying "If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself. He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him."

People hide behind their religions, as if the religion is just stuck to them and they have nothing to do with it. They conveniently forget that they choose that religion, and they also choose their own personally accepted interpretations of the Bible. That they are fully responsible for their own beliefs, just as you and I are. The difference is that I accept my beliefs AS my beliefs, and I don't claim that they're anyone else's.

Well what you've said here then begs the question, do you acknowledge any way to judge whether or not someone is faithfully applying the Bible?

Since you have rejected Hillary Clinton's claim that she is a "person of faith," then apparently, you do. So what is it, then?

And again, you've gone beyond merely offering your opinion here and "your own beliefs," to judge others.

I also have to say here, that your continued avoidance of just outright saying how well you do, or don't, know the Bible, makes it very hard to discuss much of this with you, and that is on you. It's a problem that you've created here.

And considering how you have accused me, including through the use of Bible passages, I demand to know what your knowledge of the Bible is.

Also, I've found that the narrower the door, and the higher the barriers people demand for accepting someone else's beliefs as "valid", they more they claim the Bible is speaking on its own, and religion is speaking on its own, and they are just the humble messenger. IMO, to such people, Jesus says "I know you not."

Again, there's no real discussing all this since you haven't said how well you know the Bible, which isn't something that should be hidden.

And really, how hard is it to simply say that your religious beliefs are yours? And why should that be such an outrageous thing to demand? After all, it's so obviously true.

Again, much of what I've already said in this reply applies here. But I will add that the ultimate standard isn't what seems to be "so obviously true," but the Bible, which shows us that sometimes what seems obviously true to us is indeed true, and other times, it isn't.

Your posts are extremely bizarre. Why would you think that owning my own opinion can only mean not having any opinion about the Bible? Who are you to "demand" I prove my understanding of the Bible to you?! It's laughable, starting with your egomaniacal presumption, and ending with the complete lack of any objective valuation by which you could judge me, or give me reason to submit to your arrogance. How about we reverse it - you prove to me you understand the Bible. Go ahead, and then I will judge you. See how totally asinine that sounds? That's how YOU sound.

I said Dobson was out of line claiming authority to announce Trump's Christianity, because I say that was Trump's announcement to make alone. In response you've written a book, on behalf of another poster, denouncing my Christianity. Why don't you go get a life, and leave me alone? I recognize zero Christianity in you - you're just a blowhard argumentarian with time on your hands. I reject your judgements of me, I reject your efforts to judge my relationship with Christ, and I reject your supposed understanding of the Bible. In other words, we are not going to agree here, and I'm tired of replying to your crap.

Go away.