El Cajon police say black man was holding vape smoking device in hand when officers fatally shot him

l a times ^ | 09/28/2016 | Veronica Rocha, Sarah Parvini and Richard Winton

[wita]

Utopia no, but I’ll accept close. With you maybe even 95%.

[drpix]

If the object he drew from his pocket - to point at the police in a classic 2-handed shooting position - was a gun, the cops being 2, 5 or 10 times further away would not have put them out of deadly range. From any of those distances, the instant he drew that object from his pocket and pointed it, he became a threat that warranted nothing less than immediate deadly force.

Since the cops were responding to a 911 call, reporting a man out of control and behaving erratically but not reporting him armed, it was only normal police procedure to try to contain the guy, rather than just observing from some distant cover and send for backup.

The dangerous job of real cops, the lawlessness of many areas of this country, and the anti-American & Anti-White radicals agitators hellbent on using these shootings, to incite violence and undermine law and order, make discussions of these incidences no place for unthoughtful armchair second guessing.

[drpix]

Yes, in America guns were on the whole, openly carried or displayed in the past. But that was not universal.

In certain towns of the Old West, where and when lawlessness became out of control, guns were banned and sheriffs shot on sight those carrying. More recently, back during the 50s when big city youth gangs were white, gang fights involved everything that could maim and kill - but not guns - for one reason: gang members would be shot on sight if a cop saw a gun. But that's back when cops were legally considered justified in shooting anyone - even the unarmed - fleeing from them.

What I admit has changed is how many more places and in how many more situations guns for self-defense are being banned. That can be easily explained by how much lawlessness has been spreading during the liberalization of society in the past 50 years. How many more places and situations are cops now being shot at!

To return to the good-old-days, 2 things have to be done, both at the same time: 1) Society has to demand respect for law & order [along with the cops that represent it] and stop making thugs heroes and victims. 2) The law must respect the right of armed self-defense while coming down hard on the thugs