(Vanity) Need Help - In heated Benghazi debate with unsure voters

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[TigersEye]

Security team pulled out of Libya in August

The blundering boobs at the State Department recalled a 16-man security team in August just as the Libyan diplomats were asking for more security, not less.

CBS News has learned that congressional investigators have issued a subpoena to a former top security official at the US mission in Libya. The official is Lt. Col. Andy Wood, a Utah National Guard Army Green Beret who headed up a Special Forces "Site Security Team" in Libya.

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Lt. Col. Wood has told CBS News and congressional investigators that his 16-member team and a six-member State Department elite force called a Mobile Security Deployment team left Libya in August, just one month before the Benghazi assault. Wood says that's despite the fact that US officials in Libya wanted security increased, not decreased.

Again, the DoD funds this security team not the State Dept.

[TigersEye]

This might be the video of State Dept. testimony you were thinking about, Paul R.

Lack of Budget Not a Factor in Benghazi Security Decisions Youtube 0:35

[Carlucci]

First, get them to agree that there was no “clock” on the assault until after the fact. We know NOW that the battle ensued for 13 hours, but in real time, it very well could have gone on for hours, or even full days, more.

Once they agree to that, remind them of Obama’s own words, in an interview:

“the minute I found out what was happening, I gave three very clear directives. Number one, make sure that we are securing our personnel and doing whatever we need to. ... I guarantee you that everyone in the state department, our military, the CIA, you name it, had number-one priority making sure that people were safe.”

Now, given that the timeline was unknown, and IF Obama did give that order, where is the evidence that the military obeyed that order? Is Obama so weak as CinC that his military ignores his orders? That must be the case, or there would be testimony that we turned our birds around once the fighting stopped.

It was infuriating that the committee seems to have accepted Hillary’s premise that we couldn’t have gotten there in time, when the amount of time left to get there was unknowable while it was happening.

The only conclusions left are, either Obama and Hillary are lying about orders to “do everything”, or our military was mutinous in ignoring his order.

We all know what the correct answer is.

[MayflowerMadam]

IIRC, although “only” four people died, Hillary was comfortable with more than 40 deaths. When pleas for help began, there were more than 40 people in harm’s way. She ignored them.

[Engedi]

The Dems spread the version of Repubs cutting funding. But really happened was this: Obama asked for a certain dollar amount let’s just say 180 million. Repubs gave him 175M and that 175 million was an increase over the previous year budget. So really, the Repubs approved more then previous year budget request but it was less than what Obama wanted. So Dems spin it that Repubs reduced the funding.

[Paul R.]

That’s it! Thanks!

That point about the funding may have come up more than once, in the hearings, but that IS the exchange I best remember.

The request for increased security was turned down because Hillary’s State Dept. insisted on an appearance of “normalcy” even when Libya was disintegrating into violence.

Ok, Apple Pan Dowdy, whack ‘em!

BTW, Apple, Charlene Lamb was a Deputy Assistant Secretary Of State at the time & the person most directly responsible for the “no” when increased security was requested.

She was later “moved” in a sort of sideways and upward fashion to help get her out of the public eye. (More evidence of the Washington “swamp” of corruption.)

[conservatism_IS_compassion]

. . . and it is only possible, even at that, with journoLIb help.

[TigersEye]

I like throwing Hillary's own words about the billions of dollars in her budget back at the lame accusation of funding denied by Republicans.

"So all told, we have a $47 billion operational account and an $8.7 billion Overseas Contingency Operations account."

Then the coup de grace is pointing out that a Marine guard and a special Green Beret security force for embassies is always available and funded by the DoD.

[Paul R.]

Well, mostly agreed, but the simple question “Was there any budget consideration in the decision to not increase the security force” and the 2 word answer “no, sir” defeats any argument that maybe funds could not be easily diverted, a request to DOD might get tied up in red tape, etc. (I know those are bogus arguments, but Ms. Lamb’s simple “no sir” keeps them from even being brought up as a distraction.)

Any way you go about it, though, one comes back to the stated reason for not increasing security, ‘we must look “normal”’, which merely proves that these people are clueless fools, with strong evidence that they have not changed / learned at all: “Hey, let’s import thousands of people from the ME that we can’t vet!”

[KeyLargo]

DOJ Wants Lawsuit Filed by Parents of Benghazi Victims Thrown Out
by Rachel Stockman | 7:35 pm, October 21st, 2016
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Clinton Benghazi Hearing via screengrabThe U.S.Department of Justice, on behalf of the United States, filed a motion in court Friday to get the lawsuit filed by the parents of Benghazi victims dismissed. The parents filed the lawsuit against Hillary Clinton, but the DOJ is now involved because the plaintiffs are suing her based on her actions as Secretary of State during the September 11 2012 attack on the U.S. consulate in Libya.

In the motion, Benjamin Mizer, with the DOJ’s civil division, said the plaintiffs hadn’t exhausted all of their administrative remedies before they filed a suit. On top of that, they claim the plaintiffs didn’t properly serve the U.S. government.

“Although Plaintiffs attempted to serve the United States Attorney’s Office by mail, they erroneously mailed process directly to the United States Attorney rather than to the civil-process clerk,” the motion states. Therefore, the DOJ thinks the whole claim should be thrown out.

Patricia Smith and Charles Woods are the parents of American U.S. Foreign Service member Sean Smith, and Navy SEAL Tyrone Woods who both died during the September 11, 2012 attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya. They sued Clinton for wrongful death, defamation, and intentional and negligent infliction of emotional distress.

They allege that Clinton lied to them about the cause of the Benghazi attack. She allegedly told them in a private meeting that the attack “was the result of [an] anti-Muslim YouTube video that had been posted online and that the creator of the video would be arrested.” The complaint alleges that “Clinton has negligently, recklessly, and/or maliciously defamed Plaintiffs by … directly calling them liars[.]”

Clinton’s attorneys said that the underlying lawsuit is “facially implausible,” politically motivated, and contradicted by the findings of the FBI.

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