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Leaked NASA paper shows the 'impossible' EM Drive really does work (Is fuel-less propulsion real?)
Science alert ^ | 11/7/16 | Fiona MacDonald

Posted on 11/07/2016 1:06:47 AM PST by LibWhacker

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1 posted on 11/07/2016 1:06:47 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

Mars in 70 days is great, but Cher wanted to go to Jupiter.


2 posted on 11/07/2016 1:08:48 AM PST by OldNewYork (Operation Wetback II, now with computers)
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We could put her in a rented Yugo. That should get her there on the power of her screeching voice in about 100 light years ;-/

Ed

3 posted on 11/07/2016 1:35:57 AM PST by husky ed (FOX NEWS ALERT "Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead" THIS HAS BEEN A FOX NEWS ALERT)
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She would just try to get out of the car by the asteroid belt and hitch for a faster model car.


4 posted on 11/07/2016 1:39:36 AM PST by OldNewYork (Operation Wetback II, now with computers)
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To: LibWhacker

Swell, now the Chineese can rip off this concept and colonize the solar system. Like Trump says, why do we have to tell the world everything we know?


5 posted on 11/07/2016 1:46:25 AM PST by vigilence (Vigilence)
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To: OldNewYork

We’ll give her the luxury cabin.


6 posted on 11/07/2016 2:29:04 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: LibWhacker

why not just take the TR3B.YOU can go from the moon to mars in 20 minutes,a lot faster.Nahhh... just kidding you guys are not ready for what really exists yet.


7 posted on 11/07/2016 2:41:31 AM PST by rodguy911 (Go Sarah go! America home of the free because of the brave.)
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To: LibWhacker

There is no getting past the laws of physics.

If these devices are producing thrust, then there is an equal and opposite thrust. There is no avoiding that.

The device is described as cone-shaped, with the thrust occurring at the nose of the cone. I wonder if whoever is looking at these devices is unable to measure the opposite thrust because it is spread over the base of the cone and the measuring instruments are not sensitive enough to pick it up.


8 posted on 11/07/2016 2:55:31 AM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: vigilence

Since the EM drive concept originated in England in 2001 and was tested in China in 2010, It’s not really an American-only thing.


9 posted on 11/07/2016 2:58:54 AM PST by Da_Shrimp
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PFL


10 posted on 11/07/2016 3:06:40 AM PST by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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To: OldNewYork

I always thought the next big drive would come from magnetism. Perhaps they are not seeing why this drive works because they are focused on the microwaves and ignoring possible magnetic artifacts.


11 posted on 11/07/2016 3:07:44 AM PST by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is..." - Milton)
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I don’t think any laws are being violated...the bounced around microwaves are being produced by energy and the energy being produced is able to be made phase coherent and focused to produce usable thrust. I wonder if he equal/opposite reaction equation is made up for by energy being used/and transferred from microwave to magnetic field energy which is working opposite gravity. We need to get this device into free fall to see if gravity repulsion is the factor in how this drive works or not. If it doesn’t work in space then the factor has to be gravitational repulsion. If gravity repulsion is the key...then we may very well have solved the problem of getting heavy lift vehicles into orbit using small fractions of the energy necessary of traditional chemical rocketry!...but I wouldn’t look for it to power vehicles in free fall to Mars!( it could be used to assist in landings and takes offs...perhaps in slingshot maneuvres around planets...ect!)


12 posted on 11/07/2016 3:22:00 AM PST by mdmathis6 (BEWARE THE ABORTION POLITICAL INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX!)
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Constant thrust in a closed sysyem with no energy expended is impossible. What they are describing is just the latest version of the Perpetual Motion Machine hoax.
If it were true, then you could easily provide free energy to anybody, anywhere on the planet. Simply construct a vacuum container, attach the cone device to a dynamo and, voila, fred energy!
This is hogwash.


13 posted on 11/07/2016 3:33:02 AM PST by Upstate NY Guy
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“Free” energy too! ;)


14 posted on 11/07/2016 3:36:19 AM PST by Upstate NY Guy
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To: LibWhacker

Here is the link to download the .pdf of the actual experiment report.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7kgKijo-p0ibm94VUY0TVktQlU/view

60 watts at 2GHZ is not insignificant power. RF is a lot different than 60 HZ AC.

Now my question, what power source would drive such a device in space?


15 posted on 11/07/2016 3:39:08 AM PST by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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Hogwash?

Yes. It appears to ignore the issue of generating 60 Watts of RF at 2GHZ (in the test example).

This sounds like pop science BS, but appears to be a real experiment at JSC.

I’m very skeptical.


16 posted on 11/07/2016 3:44:53 AM PST by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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Can this have any other use other than propulsion in a vacuum?


17 posted on 11/07/2016 3:49:54 AM PST by AU72
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It appears that the experiment is a legitimate one.

http://archive.is/h4C77

I think the issue is one of beaming microwave to the thruster in space to drive it. It still requires an external RF source.


18 posted on 11/07/2016 3:57:11 AM PST by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: AU72

I have no idea.


19 posted on 11/07/2016 3:58:55 AM PST by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: LibWhacker

It appears that the experiment is a legitimate one.

http://archive.is/h4C77

I think the issue is one of beaming microwave to the thruster in space to drive it. It still requires an external RF source.

This statement in the article puzzles me:

“It works by simply bouncing microwave photons back and forth inside a cone-shaped closed metal cavity.”

To me, microwave RF is not the same particle as photons. This makes me suspect the concept.


20 posted on 11/07/2016 4:04:44 AM PST by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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