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Countering the "Ladders & Tunnel" anti-wall argument.

Posted on 01/28/2017 10:11:50 AM PST by GraceG

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To: JayElBee

An electric fence is a decent compromise. Enough to shock and stop, not enough to kill. It may also allow for a detection capability if done in sections.


21 posted on 01/28/2017 11:18:10 AM PST by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing consequences of poor moral choices among everybody)
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22 posted on 01/28/2017 11:18:16 AM PST by FredZarguna (And what Rough Beast, its hour come 'round at last, slouches toward Fifth Avenue to be born?)
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To: heights

I disagree- get caught tunneling - sentence is to fill in tunnel, when done sentence is done


23 posted on 01/28/2017 11:19:11 AM PST by Nailbiter
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To: Basket_of_Deplorables

30 ft ladder
Never look up when hammer is missing :)


24 posted on 01/28/2017 11:21:23 AM PST by Nailbiter
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To: GraceG

What galls me is that US defense contractor Raytheon was paid billions to build a massive wall around Yemen by Saudi Arabia. It isn’t a Chinese Great Wall. You get ditches and elevated rises that stop someone barrelling through with a car and three layers of patrolled barbed wire fence too tall to be scaled with a fence.
If it is good enough to stop determined Muslim terrorists from coming across to Saudi Arabia, it will stop poor Hispanic immigrants.


25 posted on 01/28/2017 11:24:10 AM PST by tbw2
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To: GraceG

Ladders and tunnels versus 50 BMG


26 posted on 01/28/2017 11:25:53 AM PST by meyer (The Constitution says what it says, and it doesn't say what it doesn't say.)
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To: JayElBee

Two walls with a mine field between them.


27 posted on 01/28/2017 11:26:03 AM PST by Ray76 (DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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To: Ray76

Or two walls with wolves and lions prowling about.


28 posted on 01/28/2017 11:35:35 AM PST by Ray76 (DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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To: GraceG

If you factor in the loss in purchasing power of the Mexican Peso, and the INCREASE in purchasing power of the dollar, just since November 10th, Mexico has already paid for the wall. The only question now is “how much more do you want to pay?”


29 posted on 01/28/2017 11:35:47 AM PST by mission9 (It is by the fruit ye shall know.)
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To: JayElBee
Might sound harsh, but I am not opposed to a minefield and manned machine gun towers along the wall. We are being invaded by illegals who are intent on destroying our country.

Got it covered right here...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3513961/posts?page=8#8

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30 posted on 01/28/2017 11:40:34 AM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: GraceG
Iron bars do not a prison make... but they sure help, eh, Doc? --Bugs Bunny (Acrobatty Bunny)
31 posted on 01/28/2017 11:48:14 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: GraceG

Walls seem to work for Israel...and did for East Germany.

The ladder argument is so PATHETIC it’s not worth the time...but anyway, here we go. First, the ladder only works on one side, unless you’re able to pick up a 30 foot ladder from the top and swing it over, to the other side of the wall, all while sitting on top or barbed wire or spikes. Try doing that with a 12’ foot ladder and report back...LOL. Then, after having cracked your spine shifting the ladder over, or having cracked your spine jumping to the ground, you next have to deal with killing (or at least disabling) the Border Patrol guys standing right next to you, since you’re kind of trapped there, between multiple walls (sometimes 2, sometimes 3, depends on location).

As for tunnels...they are VERY EXPENSIVE an TIME CONSUMING to build. What makes more sense than trying to funnel Illegals through tunnels, just to have to create a Greyhound Station, at some house where the tunnel comes up - and hoping that no discovers bus after bus of people coming out of the house, but never having gone into it. Or use the tunnel for drugs?

Obviously drugs wins...and so the wall WILL stop Illegals, and it may stop or slow down drugs, as it will force all drugs to go through tunnels, rather than be carried or handed off across the border. Get some Israeli technology, and most of the tunnels can likely be dispensed with also.


32 posted on 01/28/2017 12:01:02 PM PST by BobL (In Honor of the NeverTrumpers, I declare myself as FR's first 'Imitation NeverTrumper')
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To: GraceG

Activate 10 land mines at a time instead of the wall. Plant 1000’s of them, but to make the libs happy, only a TINY PERCRNTAGE of the mines will be turned in at a time. Then electronically turn them off and activate another different set of 10. Make the electronic switch every 30 seconds. Put up a sign defining the mine field. We could call it Trump Roulette. This way you only blow up a few foolish people (a lower number than those dying now in the illegal process).


33 posted on 01/28/2017 12:04:15 PM PST by ThePatriotsFlag ( Anything FREELY-GIVEN by the government was TAKEN from someone else.)
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To: Basket_of_Deplorables

“Try purchasing, carrying, and using, a 30 foot ladder. Especially using. If you’ve ever been up on one, it will scare the crap out of you.”

LOL, I just wrote the same thing! Right down to the 30 feet. I have enough fun with my 12 foot ladder (8 foot is easy to handle, though)...even 12 feet puts some serious stresses on one’s back. (and in case people don’t know, ladders get much heavier as they get longer, since they also have to be stronger due to the length...so a 12 foot ladder is easily twice as heavy as an 8 foot ladder).


34 posted on 01/28/2017 12:04:47 PM PST by BobL (In Honor of the NeverTrumpers, I declare myself as FR's first 'Imitation NeverTrumper')
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To: GraceG

Tunnels and ladders make for easy targets.


35 posted on 01/28/2017 12:52:17 PM PST by bgill (From the CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola")
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To: GraceG

“So i am going to share some memes we can use to re post here to destroy the liberal smugness in one fell swoop.”

As long as there are liberals there will be smugness, condescension, arrogance, and above all stupidity.


36 posted on 01/28/2017 12:58:26 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists Call 'em what you will, they all have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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37 posted on 01/28/2017 1:01:25 PM PST by drpix
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To: GraceG

With the existence of a physical wall it will be politically much easier to actually enforce the immigration laws. it is as valuable as a symbol as it is as a physical barrier. And, tunnels and ladders cannot move nearly so many new welfare recipients and jihadists as could cross without the wall.


38 posted on 01/28/2017 1:08:03 PM PST by ThanhPhero
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To: FredZarguna

As a Senator, Obama also voted for the 2006 secure fence act. So did Clinton. That resulted in some higher quality fencing and some WALL being built along the Mexican border during the Bush AND OBAMA administrations. But somehow the Bush/Obama wall is sound national security policy, while its extension under Trump is a Moral Outrage that Divides Us from Our Values.

For eight years all the liberals we’re hearing from now could have been standing in front some serious wall in places like San Diego, demanding “President Obama, Tear Down This Wall ! “ But we didn’t hear a peep.

Selective outrage. Fake issue.


39 posted on 01/28/2017 1:12:18 PM PST by Dagnabitt (Trump - Because countries without Islamic immigration are countries without Islamic terrorism.)
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To: The Good Doctor
For the benefit of the "greens" we should sequester all the CO2 released by the US in any tunnels we detect.

Regards,
GtG

40 posted on 01/28/2017 3:25:22 PM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, but it's OK. They all know me here.)
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