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Sanford and Son VS the HOA
My mind | 04/13/2017 | Myself

Posted on 04/13/2017 7:07:12 PM PDT by TermLimitsforAll

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To: TermLimitsforAll

After spending a few years on the front lines explaining to homeowners that neighbor business is a civil matter, and my prosecutor was kept plenty busy enough with criminal matters. Of course, I had to validate their upsettedness by listening to their story and commiserating with them...

Having said all that, did I miss the part in your post where you put on your best city slicker smile and took some cookies next door and asked your neighbor about his plans for his yard? Have you told him, in a friendly way of course, what about his yard bothers you? C’mon, you can find a tactful way of doing it the way our parents used to do it: Neighbor to neighbor first. If that doesn’t work, and after kindly explaining what your next steps will be to neighbor, then go to the HOA.

Fences do make great neighbors (I know, you live high and he lives low....) how about some Thuja evergreens? They grow fast and tall.

And yes, I know he’s pissing you off and I’m putting it all on you to fix it....but, like I say, I like the civil (property) cases to fix themselves before they become criminal cases. I am really not sure what a flaming bag of doo-doo on their front porch is considered...but a good lawyer could talk it down to MDOP (malicious Destruction of Property) and then get it thrown out.

Do you yell at kids when they touch your lawn?


41 posted on 04/13/2017 8:25:11 PM PDT by blu (If you don't read the story at the link, don't comment. Your ignorance will be on display-except Laz)
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To: super7man
Do you ever agree to a software EULA without reading it?

Do you really intend to abide by all of the restrictions contained therein?

42 posted on 04/13/2017 8:28:16 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: MaxistheBest

Remember...in most states, the HOA members are “personally” liable for monetary damages if they are show to be liable for the cause or {not giving you relief} for a dangerous situation.

Use the word “liability” and put the burden on them to take action!!!


43 posted on 04/13/2017 8:29:15 PM PDT by MaxistheBest (...)
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To: MaxistheBest

Keep in mind that a legal proceeding is going to be a very expensive undertaking and will not likely pay off in the long run unless you can show actual monetary damages. If you aren’t selling the house, for example, then you probably can’t sue the neighbor for any loss in value for your home.


44 posted on 04/13/2017 8:31:38 PM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: Hotmetal
I would go to the local TV stations. Most have Ombudsman to help citizens with problems.. Mention the developer, bring them over to see, go to the local planning and zoning commission. Basically just make noise in public. Some one will respond. Oh go to the local fire department tell them about the fire hazard. Just make life miserable for the bums.
45 posted on 04/13/2017 8:31:41 PM PDT by Kozy (new age haruspex; "Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth.")
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To: MaxistheBest

Our board members here in Florida can be held personally liable for up to $5,000.

Another thing you might bring up on your letter...remind them that if something were to happen and they are held liable...the association’s insurance will go sky high on renewal!!!!!


46 posted on 04/13/2017 8:33:01 PM PDT by MaxistheBest (...)
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To: entropy12

“The owner (which is now the bank) is trying to sell, but no buyers with that bigly lien.”

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In Massachusetts the unpaid fines are passed on to the bank——so no lien.


47 posted on 04/13/2017 8:33:32 PM PDT by Mears
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To: TermLimitsforAll
Anyone want to buy a home in the North Atl Burbs?

Only if it is not in an HOA. People who live in them get a little nuts over what other people have in their back yards.

48 posted on 04/13/2017 8:33:33 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Not a Romantic, not a hero worshiper and stop trying to tug my heartstrings. It tickles! (pink bow))
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To: TermLimitsforAll

Why is the builder’s rep. still running your HOA? Are many of the homes in your subdivision still owned by the developer and rented out to tenants?


49 posted on 04/13/2017 8:34:01 PM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: Alberta's Child

“Keep in mind that a legal proceeding is”

I’m not talking about waiting for something to happen. I’m talking about putting the burden or the liability on them “IF” something were to happen. You won;t spend more than $2 or 3 hundred for the lawyer’s letter, if it even gets that far.


50 posted on 04/13/2017 8:35:31 PM PDT by MaxistheBest (...)
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To: entropy12
Your HOA can probably foreclose on the empty condo with the unpaid dues, but if the bank can't sell the property then the HOA won't be able to sell it, either.

The best course of action might be to have the HOA take possession of the empty condo and rent it to a tenant to generate revenue to pay off the lien.

51 posted on 04/13/2017 8:35:52 PM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: MaxistheBest

Once the members open up a “certified” letter, they will start to take action. I have done this before and it’s amazing how fast they move when they know you have documentation that you warned them!!!


52 posted on 04/13/2017 8:37:22 PM PDT by MaxistheBest (...)
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To: Alberta's Child

“Why is the builder’s rep. still running your HOA?:

In Florida the builder is the HOA board for the first 2 years; then it gets passed to a real homeowner board.


53 posted on 04/13/2017 8:39:22 PM PDT by MaxistheBest (...)
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To: MaxistheBest
Oh -- OK.

I think in my state the builder cedes control once the majority of the units are sold.

54 posted on 04/13/2017 8:40:41 PM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: Mears

I think most of the unpaid dues are not fines, but rather the monthly dues not paid.


55 posted on 04/13/2017 8:41:44 PM PDT by entropy12 (Read my profile for how to really reduce healthcare costs & improve quality.)
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To: Paladin2

Reading a EULA or not, and my intentions do not remove my responsibility to abide by an agreement I have made.

I serve on several committees in our HOA. It has never been my intention to impose my will on others. We have an level headed and reasonable HOA.

Our biggest problems occur when someone does not know what he has agreed to and therefore feels that it is OK to claim ignorance and violate the CCRs. The other is the one that understands the provisions of the HOA but does not feel it applies to them.

HOAs are not for everyone and that’s OK. For me, I am OK with it. The provisions help preserve the reasons that I moved here.


56 posted on 04/13/2017 8:44:10 PM PDT by super7man (Madam Defarge, knitting, knitting, always knitting)
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To: Alberta's Child

“my state the builder cedes control once the majority”

It’s pretty much the same here; if the builder sells out in a year, then it goes to the homeowners.


57 posted on 04/13/2017 8:45:21 PM PDT by MaxistheBest (...)
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To: entropy12

I also mean monthly dues-——we have one foreclosure in our building.

Every six months the unpaid monthly fees are billed to the bank that holds the mortgage, the bank sends us a check,then the bank adds that amount to the outstanding mortgage-——legal fees are involved,of course.

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58 posted on 04/13/2017 8:50:15 PM PDT by Mears
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To: Deek

Yes, I suppose I agree with you.


59 posted on 04/13/2017 8:50:37 PM PDT by super7man (Madam Defarge, knitting, knitting, always knitting)
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To: Alberta's Child

That sounds like a wise move. Problem might be the bank is not willing to sell at a large loss over the loan amount, is what I heard. Not a real big problem for me as an owner because there are 120 units in this condo association, so percentage wise not a significant factor.

I bought my condo so that I do not have to spend time on maintenance outside. In my calculation, expect 15% waste in a typical condo operation, so that is the price I must pay for convenience and more free time.


60 posted on 04/13/2017 8:51:11 PM PDT by entropy12 (Read my profile for how to really reduce healthcare costs & improve quality.)
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