[ifinnegan]

“The North’s battle cry- “Union.”
The South’s battle cry- “Freedom.”
Nuff said.”

Ha ha.

This is why no one takes you (not you personally per se) seriously and communists can demagogue and use your stupidity to hurt all of us.

Southern Cry was literally Slavery.

If it wasn’t for the stupid Southern Democrats we’d never have had Obama and never have fallen in to the position we are in where we are practically a communist state.

It is all the Confederate’s fault and, more so, their successors who implemented Jim Crow and their other Big Government policies.

[jeffersondem]

“Southern Cry was literally Slavery.”

Both the USA and CSA had slaves. Both the USA and CSA had pro-slavery constitutions. Both the USA and CSA had presidents that took oaths to defend their pro-slavery constitutions.

After the Emancipation Proclamation, only one of these nations added a slave state. Do you know which?

[OIFVeteran]

I think you have made a good point on what really created the federal behemoth we have today. Because southern states were denying some of their citizens their constitutional rights the federal government had to step in and secure those rights. Everything else is history.

[Yosemitest]

Is that why most of the slave ships came out of the northern ports, to go and capture slaves from Africa and run up to the south to sell them?
Have you never read of the "Sugar Triangle" about Slaves, Rum, Sugar, and money ?

[Yosemitest]

Read this excerpt from NORTHERN PROFITS from SLAVERY:

... A list of the leading slave merchants is almost identical with a list of the region's prominent families:
the Fanueils, Royalls, and Cabots of Massachusetts; the Wantons, Browns, and Champlins of Rhode Island; the Whipples of New Hampshire; the Eastons of Connecticut; Willing & Morris of Philadelphia.
To this day, it's difficult to find an old North institution of any antiquity that isn't tainted by slavery. Ezra Stiles imported slaves while president of Yale.
Six slave merchants served as mayor of Philadelphia.
Even a liberal bastion like Brown University has the shameful blot on its escutcheon.
It is named for the Brown brothers, Nicholas, John, Joseph, and Moses, manufacturers and traders who shipped salt, lumber, meat -- and slaves.
And like many business families of the time, the Browns had indirect connections to slavery via rum distilling.
John Brown, who paid half the cost of the college's first library, became the first Rhode Islander prosecuted under the federal Slave Trade Act of 1794 and had to forfeit his slave ship.
Historical evidence also indicates that slaves were used at the family's candle factory in Providence, its ironworks in Scituate, and to build Brown's University Hall.[4]

Even after slavery was outlawed in the North, ships out of New England continued to carry thousands of Africans to the American South.
Some 156,000 slaves were brought to the United States in the period 1801-08,
almost all of them on ships that sailed from New England ports that had recently outlawed slavery.
Rhode Island slavers alone imported an average of 6,400 Africans annually into the U.S. in the years 1805 and 1806.
The financial base of New England's antebellum manufacturing boom was money it had made in shipping.
And that shipping money was largely acquired directly or indirectly from slavery, whether by importing Africans to the Americas, transporting slave-grown cotton to England, or hauling Pennsylvania wheat and Rhode Island rum to the slave-labor colonies of the Caribbean.

Northerners profited from slavery in many ways, right up to the eve of the Civil War.
The decline of slavery in the upper South is well documented, as is the sale of slaves from Virginia and Maryland to the cotton plantations of the Deep South.
But someone had to get them there, and the U.S. coastal trade was firmly in Northern hands.
William Lloyd Garrison made his first mark as an anti-slavery man by printing attacks on New England merchants who shipped slaves from Baltimore to New Orleans.

Long after the U.S. slave trade officially ended, the more extensive movement of Africans to Brazil and Cuba continued.
The U.S. Navy never was assiduous in hunting down slave traders.
The much larger British Navy was more aggressive, and it attempted a blockade of the slave coast of Africa,
but the U.S. was one of the few nations that did not permit British patrols to search its vessels,
so slave traders continuing to bring human cargo to Brazil and Cuba generally did so under the U.S. flag.
They also did so in ships built for the purpose by Northern shipyards, in ventures financed by Northern manufacturers.

In a notorious case, the famous schooner-yacht Wanderer, pride of the New York Yacht Club, put in to Port Jefferson Harbor in April 1858 to be fitted out for the slave trade.
Everyone looked the other way -- which suggests this kind of thing was not unusual -- except the surveyor of the port, who reported his suspicions to the federal officials.
The ship was seized and towed to New York, but her captain talked (and possibly bought) his way out and was allowed to sail for Charleston, S.C.

Fitting out was completed there, the Wanderer was cleared by Customs, and she sailed to Africa where she took aboard some 600 blacks.
On Nov. 28, 1858, she reached Jekyll Island, Georgia, where she illegally unloaded the 465 survivors of what is generally called the last shipment of slaves to arrive in the United States.

It is all the Northerners fault and, more so, their successors who implemented the Big Government policies, that protected those ships

[OL Hickory]

“Southern Cry was literally Slavery”

Legalized slavery in the CSA-1861-1864 4 yrs
legalized slavery in the USA 1775-1865 90 yrs

This is why the “slavery” argument is lazy and weak

This is why no one takes you (not you personally per se) seriously and communists can demagogue and use your stupidity to hurt all of us....

[freedomjusticeruleoflaw]

The South did not implement Jim Crow.. the Democrats in the South did. It’s 2017 Iffy, time to unlearn the lies about the Civil War.

[Pelham]

Do you include Washington, Jefferson, Madison and Monroe in your condemnation? Or does slavery only become a problem for you with the Confederacy?