[Spktyr]

One more. How about a fully automatic 12 gauge shotgun with a 30 round drum magazine? Rate of fire is about 450-500 or so. This is right at the ragged edge of full auto controlability using modern technique and configuration.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFVJqqnp4PA

For comparison, here’s a standard issue M-14 on full auto. Visibly uncontrolled in full auto.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU2Y4cnd7-Y

The lack of a pistol grip and the recommended short grip on the forearm combined with the low weight of the M-14 combine to get what you see above. Some people did master it even so, but it was so rare that the military ended up not bothering. They did, however, develop the E2 stock in response to this; this adds a pistol grip and a stock with negligible drop. This was the result:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N06ySsT2EKU

It’s not as good as the FAL at full auto because the FAL is heavier, the FAL’s action was designed to have a pistol grip in the first place, the FAL has a buffer in its stock and the stock shape means the recoil is more linear instead of levering and the way the forearm is designed allows a further forward grip on the forearm, allowing more control - but the E2 stock at least gets the M-14 into the same league in auto fire. They would later add a sort of vertical foregrip to try to improve control. They also added a muzzle brake to help further. The stock FAL was still better even without a muzzle brake (as you saw in the prior video). More about the E2 stock here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqTVjFxVYJE

These days, weapon technique has evolved considerably and as you’ve seen, calibers formerly thought “uncontrollable” in full auto are now easily controllable if the weapon is designed correctly.

[Spktyr]

Check out this modern configuration AR-10 type in 7.62 NATO - observe the controllability.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_DAlHcUih8

[Roman_War_Criminal]

Thanks for the vids!

I’ve noticed over the years the use of muzzle brakes and comps (even being machined or welded at the edge of the barrel) has become more and more common for the heavier caliber sniper guns and “assault rifles”.

I used to own a Saiga 12 and I remember shooting slugs through that thing. It felt like a ram was running into my shoulder with each trigger pull. I wasn’t a small guy back then either at 225lbs, but I also didn’t have a comp/brake attached.