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To: Widget Jr

Ok. So the public is aware; The shooter had say 12 minutes of fire on innocents then sat and warded off police for 49 Minutes?

Why did it take so long to blow that door than?

Now, we are talking police lives here. The best of the best. Why so long? That’s my question.


18 posted on 10/03/2017 12:01:32 AM PDT by Djl3668 (11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things)
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To: Djl3668

Lets look at that. Two officers got to the shooters door after 16 minutes. They know its automatic rifle fire. All they have are pistols and vests capable of stopping pistol rounds.

If you go in you are instantly in a fatal funnel facing down a fellow that has weapons that will go through you and the guy behind you. His rounds go through walls so you can’t barricade on either side of the door. He has a bunch more ammo than you.

Do you go in, and almost certainly get killed and waste the effort or wait for more guys who are bringing flash bangs, rifles and rifle plates?

I am glad that I did not have to make that decision.


22 posted on 10/03/2017 12:25:12 AM PDT by Molon Labbie (Destroying the vestiges of the First Civil War is ensuring the Second.)
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To: Djl3668
I'm not a police officer, so my comment was based on what I've observed over the years.

This took just over a hour. The Texas Tower shooting took two hours to end and the Orlando night club shooting took over three hours. The fact is the Las Vegas police took him out in near record time.

The police have to get to the scene; figure out whats going on amid total chaos; have enough police to shoot back or keep shooters from escaping (think the beltway sniper attacks); figure out a plan; and carry it out. Except in this case, there were 450 to 500 dead and wounded all over and something like twenty thousand people getting out of the way. This attack was into 9/11 and 11/M territory. There is no by-the-book response to those kind of attack.

Also, he didn't start shooting into the street again after his first attack. If he did, snipers or patrolmen with rifles would have fired back. They knew a fire alarm had gone off in a room, but he could have moved to a different room or floor or had set up a ambush, maybe with a bomb. Now try imagine being a police officer, no matter how well trained or experienced, dealing with all this.

The LVPD police did better than most police could have done.

36 posted on 10/03/2017 1:05:04 AM PDT by Widget Jr
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To: Djl3668

GOOD GRIEF!

He had something like Ring cameras placed in and around the hallway so he could see anyone approaching in the hallway. That is how the security guard was shot. He is in a room at the end of a long hallway and can see what is happening in the entire hallway and most likely in the emergency stairwell that I’m sure is right there as well. Might that not explain some of the reports of “activity” on the 29th floor by the police communications?

Add to it, whenever anyone poked their face into the hallway, he was firing through the door to fend them off.

Now, considering that, just why in the H wold you just start to charge that door, especially when one officer is already down? I suspect they were trying to identify those little cameras he placed in that hallway and disabling them as they could to clear the path to the door and blow it as they did.

I suspect when he lost the last camera is when he offed himself.


54 posted on 10/03/2017 3:43:06 AM PDT by mazda77
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