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Question for EXPERIENCED Full Auto Shooters - Pros
The Dead Curiosity Cat | October 3rd, 2017 | Mariner

Posted on 10/03/2017 12:23:28 PM PDT by Mariner

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To: CyLyte
Then the real question is who supplied him and the guns and why did he do it. There can’t be that much mystery here.

You can find everything he used on the major firearms sites online. Installing the optics is easy, as is installing a bumpfire stock. I heard one of them last week at my local range (I didn't go look because wasting ammo annoys me, and shooting just to hear "bang" strikes me as a waste). As for why he did it, I imagine we will find out soon.

101 posted on 10/03/2017 3:38:11 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: x1stcav
I’m questioning whether his weaponry would’ve been up to it. Barrel overheating is a real factor, real fast, on rock and roll.

In his position, with two bumpfire weapons, I would expect him to shoot both dry and then reload. Cycling between them gives each one a short rest to cool. They will both get hot, but he didn't care about accuracy.

102 posted on 10/03/2017 3:40:30 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: TigerClaws
If so, why use the guns?

You are right; he could have killed more by loading his plane with the explosive of his choice and then crashing into the concert. I assume the guns were for a fantasy in his unstable little mind. He wanted to be Rambo or whatever image he dreamed of.

103 posted on 10/03/2017 3:42:15 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: CodeToad

See post #98 from a real expert.


104 posted on 10/03/2017 3:44:31 PM PDT by Mariner (Pink Pussy Hats for the NFL)
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To: Mariner

One of the weapons had a bi-pod and looked like it had a Surefire recoil suppressor on the barrel. Running it on full auto would be no problem spraying rounds and hitting so many people in such a packed crowd at a mid-distance, especially at the angle afforded from the 32nd floor.

With such a large area completely packed with people one does not need a scope to kill and maim hundreds at that range.


105 posted on 10/03/2017 4:28:25 PM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: Mariner
Have all of you fired full auto as a job?

As for my background, I volunteered to put on cammies, carry an M-16 (sometimes an M-60), and hump an 80lbs pack for 2 1/2 years. Much later I volunteered to spend a week in the field with an M-4 and a M-249. If the now-dead scum had a 249 the casualties at that concert would have been beyond anything imaginable.

106 posted on 10/03/2017 4:38:09 PM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: Chance Hart
...but also a 60 rd Mag as opposed to the standard 30 rd. May be out there, but have not seen it mentioned regarding what appears to be a Surefire 60 rd Mag. Twice the firepower before mag change.

The photo of one weapon he used looked like a Surefire SoCom muzzle brake. I use those and there is NO muzzle rise when firing with them installed.

107 posted on 10/03/2017 4:53:20 PM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: Mariner
the first three minutes were the highest hit rate and a large number of those hit were secondaries as they were hit by rounds passing through people in front of them
108 posted on 10/03/2017 5:03:29 PM PDT by Chode (You have all of the resources you are going to have. Abandon your illusions and plan accordingly.)
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To: Rashputin

Yeah, could easily have been just somebody not knowing what the right thing to do was. Seems wrong in hindsight, people were able to leave the area.


109 posted on 10/03/2017 5:06:10 PM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing consequences of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: Mariner

Yes long ago


110 posted on 10/03/2017 5:09:34 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Pollster1

Colt did a few videos of M4A1s doing 30 rnd mag dumps- 14 mags later, the gas tube burst but the carbine still was running as a manual repeater.... (M4A1s have mid weight bbls and full auto, not burst)

420 rnds as fast as the technician could swap and dump before it failed once.

Bump fire is not as fast as cyclic FA, but still fast.

Add a few spares to swap out and you easily can fire a few k rnds in a few minutes....


111 posted on 10/03/2017 5:20:16 PM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of and they are allowed to vote!War")
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To: Mariner

In the article behind the following link, you’ll find a diagram that shows 1,100 feet from Paddock’s hotel to the concert area.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4946740/Bodycam-footage-shows-cops-advancing-Las-Vegas-killer.html

That’s closer to my first guess of 300 meters from other videos and pictures within the days before you posted this thread. That distance would make a difference in both accuracy and energy. The high number of casualties as reported would be more likely to have been caused by an attacker with moderate instruction and practice at that distance. Some training before the massacre would still have been necessary, of course.


112 posted on 10/05/2017 1:03:08 AM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." --Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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