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4 days after Las Vegas massacre and still no motive? What are your thought?
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Posted on 10/04/2017 4:13:45 PM PDT by dragnet2

Nearly 4 days later after the suspect committed one of the biggest mass murders in U.S. history and still no motive? That seems a bit odd considering everthing.

Even if the suspect was a mentally ill, he would still need some type of motive, whether real or perceived.

They've interviewed his girlfriend, his brother, associates, acquaintances, relatives, friends and nothing? No social media? No on-line presence? No smart phone information? Nothing political going on? And they've searched everything he owns including the vehicles. And you know they've gone through his medical records thoroughly.

We're told he was a gambler who spent lots of cash gambling and he had several homes and was a former government employee among other things. And I'm sure they've looked at every financial transaction he's ever had by now.

How could someone so angry, and or mentally ill, never have hinted or telegraphed their intentions or position to someone along the way? This took lots of planning, at least weeks, if not months or possibly more. Personally I think the girlfriend would have to know what going on with this guy, at least to some extent.

What are your thoughts regarding a motive?


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To: dragnet2

I am very sure between the money trail, the note in the room, the video, the travel, streaming the video overseas, and the guest (and maybe even her warning before the attack), that they know very well what the cause was. Trump hint as much today and the sheriff yesterday suggested he might have been radicalized. Chalk another up to Islamic terrorism. That’s what I’ll put my money on at the moment.


61 posted on 10/04/2017 4:40:08 PM PDT by Reno89519 (PRESIDENT TRUMP, KEEP YOUR PROMISES! NO AMNESTY AND BUILD THAT WALL.)
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To: doug from upland; dragnet2; All

Thanks for the pic;post; thread.

The scraggly/sparse beard reminds me of the pototypical leftiest from anywhere U.S.A.

Interesting BUMP! Thanks to all posters.


62 posted on 10/04/2017 4:41:01 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: Sarah Barracuda

The dry run in September was a rap event if I recall correctly. And he reportedly liked country music. He didn’t apparently target the stage.


63 posted on 10/04/2017 4:41:33 PM PDT by Reno89519 (PRESIDENT TRUMP, KEEP YOUR PROMISES! NO AMNESTY AND BUILD THAT WALL.)
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To: All

This could be how it went down ... not feeling comfortable with the lone wolf or sudden mental illness theories.

Paddock either targeted or befriended by jihadi elements already in country. Wife possibly a conduit or entirely uninvolved as she claims.

Jihadi elements have work at the hotel. If Paddock is a willing participant, they all co-operate in moving weapons into suite. At some point Paddock is eliminated. If he is just stalked and never knew of the plot (or the guns) then he was overpowered at some point by guys he thought to be room service.

They carry out the attack in the ten minutes as reported, and shoot the security guard through the door. He limps or crawls down the hallway, gets taken to safety and nobody has eyes on the hallway for some period of time, conspirators in hotel service uniforms or other plausible dress move to stairways and pretend to be trapped or hiding from nearby gunfire they heard, when law enforcement reaches their position. At this point they are assured it is safe to leave and they leave.

Hotel management may never have known, collusion might only reach a supervisory level. Same as some airport breaches of security in baggage areas.

Paddock might have been a co-conspirator after hearing the spiel, or he may never have known a thing about it, just the person unlucky enough to be in the desired suite (the inside plants would find out the reservation info, maybe he was chosen because he reserved for several days, any floor might have done as well).

I don’t give much credence to the far-left political whacko theory for two reasons, Paddock doesn’t seem like that sort of person and the actual fans in attendance mostly non-political types, young people out for a good time.

The scale suggests Islamic terrorism. The wife’s country of origin may be significant but I tend to think it’s just a coincidence meaning nothing, she seems to be from a mainstream Filipino background (i.e. Catholic).


64 posted on 10/04/2017 4:42:33 PM PDT by Peter ODonnell (The president is a good man -- that's why they are out to get him -- where have we seen this before?)
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To: dragnet2

It was Deep State posing as Vegas SWAT. This poor schlub walks out and they light him up and blame him for the shooting. Not like it is the first time.


65 posted on 10/04/2017 4:43:00 PM PDT by bk1000 (I stand with Trump.)
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To: dragnet2

Lots of evidence pointing to paddock as the patsy.

Police did not stop the shooter.

Police barged into room 72 MINUTES AFTER shooting stopped. Found Paddock dead from gunshot wound.

Cameras found placed by non-hotel staff to allow view of when police were coming.

Eyewitnesses saying shots came from two locations and not echo because sounds were more than 30 seconds apart. One set of shots from one location, another set from a location much further away.

All circumstantial evidence on Paddock thus far is flimsy.

He went to Dubai, so what? Dubai is like Hong Kong of Middle East, Lot of Americans there working. Lots of American companies there. Show that he met terrorists there and maybe you got something.

He was taking diazepam, so what. Millions of Americans do.

He wired $100k to Philippines, so what? He was loaded. Dimon at Goldman does a 100X that every day.

Take the above facts and there can be suspicion but there is NO MOTIVE, ABSOLUTELY NO MODUS OPERANDI, NO PATTERN.

Now it may be that the guy snapped. But then again it might be he didn’t. So what do we got? Zilch.


66 posted on 10/04/2017 4:43:06 PM PDT by Hostage (Article V)
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To: dragnet2

By the way, the sheriff last night said they had a suspect in custody. People presumed he meant the dead guy but who says ‘suspect in custody’ when the guy is dead. We’re missing something. Will they share or cover it up?


67 posted on 10/04/2017 4:43:21 PM PDT by Reno89519 (PRESIDENT TRUMP, KEEP YOUR PROMISES! NO AMNESTY AND BUILD THAT WALL.)
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To: Lurking Libertarian
"What was George Whitman’s motive?"

Charles Whitman had a brain tumor.

68 posted on 10/04/2017 4:44:41 PM PDT by Flag_This (Liberals are locusts.)
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To: JennysCool
"It amazes me how impatient so many can be with an investigation. There are often very good reasons for police to play things very close to the vest, especially when there may have been others involved in a crime who are being sought, and the cops don’t want them to know they’re under suspicion. That Clark County Sheriff seems like a straight-shooter. We’ll know the facts eventually."

Your reasoned response will not be appreciated by those who believe the killer was part of one of the 253 conspiracy theories I've heard in the past three days.
69 posted on 10/04/2017 4:47:15 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Occam’s razor. Paddock was a Trump-hating leftist.


70 posted on 10/04/2017 4:47:20 PM PDT by Godebert (CRUZ: Born in a foreign land to a foreign father.)
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To: BenLurkin

Why did the shooting stop?


71 posted on 10/04/2017 4:47:36 PM PDT by Boardwalk
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To: Reno89519

And don’t forget the link of his plane to Valent, which reportedly involve intelligence activities. There is more to this guy, more to this story.


72 posted on 10/04/2017 4:48:16 PM PDT by Reno89519 (PRESIDENT TRUMP, KEEP YOUR PROMISES! NO AMNESTY AND BUILD THAT WALL.)
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To: Flag_This

Brain tumor? Aren’t you mixing him up with McCain?


73 posted on 10/04/2017 4:48:59 PM PDT by Reno89519 (PRESIDENT TRUMP, KEEP YOUR PROMISES! NO AMNESTY AND BUILD THAT WALL.)
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To: ransacked
"Savage had a number of folks call in who were at the Country Music festival in Vegas & being shot at. All agreed - there was more than one shooter. Pretty convincing."

I've seen no remotely credible evidence of more than one shooter. There are dozens of videos from the event.

74 posted on 10/04/2017 4:50:16 PM PDT by Godebert (CRUZ: Born in a foreign land to a foreign father.)
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To: dragnet2

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75 posted on 10/04/2017 4:50:21 PM PDT by bushpilot2
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To: Meet the New Boss

Also, the media has excellent sources in the FBI and other LEO organizations.

Yet nothing about the political motive they are pursuing has been leaked. Only stuff about bump stocks and assault rifles.

So one would guess whatever it is, the motive is not something advantageous to the MSM agenda or at least some of these aggressive, ambitious and soulless media types would have leaked something about it.

They may try to just keep it under wraps permanently citing “national security” or some other excuse.


76 posted on 10/04/2017 4:51:25 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: TexasFreeper2009
he filmed the whole thing and left a note.

The "note" may be something else entirely, if you are talking about that photo showing a pen next to a little piece of paper.

77 posted on 10/04/2017 4:51:34 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Yaelle
Did he even do it? Was he an arms dealer? He fits the profile for one with the planes and the cash and the weapons. Did he set up a typical sale in a Vegas hotel and did he get stung by ISIS to be used to pull off a huge terror attack?

So far that's the best explanation I've heard.

78 posted on 10/04/2017 4:51:42 PM PDT by Senator_Blutarski
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To: Reno89519

And multiple video of a additional shooters on the 4th floor. Even the police scanner has something odd going on on the 4th floor.


79 posted on 10/04/2017 4:52:47 PM PDT by Reno89519 (PRESIDENT TRUMP, KEEP YOUR PROMISES! NO AMNESTY AND BUILD THAT WALL.)
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To: All

After typing out my scenario I realized also that we have heard nothing about the experiences of all those other guests on the same floor. Now probably a lot of them were not in their suites. Some were. But my hypothetical inside conspirators disguised as room service could enter any rooms and would know which ones had no people in them. They could impersonate those people during a security sweep, or they could have rented a room for this purpose alone.


80 posted on 10/04/2017 4:52:48 PM PDT by Peter ODonnell (The president is a good man -- that's why they are out to get him -- where have we seen this before?)
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