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To: AnotherUnixGeek
I prefer Western society and the ability to appreciate the sight of a pretty woman without bothering her.

Me too.

All it takes is a little sense and a little decency.

Again, "whatever that means". "Sense" and "decency" may mean different things to different people.

When you dress well, in a way that shows off your best physical attributes, is the reaction you intend to provoke sexual harassment or sexual assault?

Probably not. But how does "intent" matter? Whose intent? Does it work both ways? If "...you dress well, in a way that shows off your best physical attributes..." and the reaction is a wolf whistle, a long look interpretable as a leer, or a comment you don't like, is the reaction harassment because it was not your intent to provoke it or is it not harassment because the intent behind the reaction was complementary? What if it was your intent to provoke the reaction from someone in whom you were interested but the reaction came from someone in whom you had no interest? Can the reaction from someone in whom you had no interest be harassment but the same reaction from someone in whom you were interested not be harassment?

Would you complain if your attempt to dress in an exciting fashion resulted in such behavior from random people you had zero interest in?

Depends. But what about the random people? If "...your attempt to dress in an exciting fashion..." excited random people in whom you had no interest and they reacted in spite of your lack of interest, might not at least some of those random people feel harassed no matter what your intent was? Especially if you took offense at their reaction? Might they not feel entrapped if they reacted with neutral or complementary intent and their reaction was taken as offensive? What if they had to suppress a reaction? Might they consider it harassment to be excited when they didn't want to be?

18 posted on 11/18/2017 10:36:09 AM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: KrisKrinkle
Again, "whatever that means". "Sense" and "decency" may mean different things to different people.

Can we agree that at a minimum, they mean no touching people or exposing ones self to them (as Harvey Weinstein, Louis CK and a surprising number of other celebrity jerk-offs apparently did) simply because they dress in a certain way? This kind of behavior used to be called being a gentleman for males, and these days the law is happy to help enforce such conventions.

the reaction is a wolf whistle, a long look interpretable as a leer, or a comment you don't like

I really am not concerned about wolf whistles or comments, and I don't believe the law is either - people are free to make all sorts of comments about the appearance of total strangers, and face any resulting anger. And as for long looks - this doesn't rise to the level of even a trivial offense, not in my eyes and certainly not in eyes of the law.
19 posted on 11/18/2017 11:09:03 AM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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