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Claim: Hydrogen powered cars for the masses one step closer to reality
WUWT ^ | 8/20/17 | Anthony Watts

Posted on 11/20/2017 11:04:13 AM PST by Signalman

UCLA researchers have designed a device that can use solar energy to inexpensively and efficiently create and store energy, which could be used to power electronic devices, and to create hydrogen fuel for eco-friendly cars.

The device could make hydrogen cars affordable for many more consumers because it produces hydrogen using nickel, iron and cobalt — elements that are much more abundant and less expensive than the platinum and other precious metals that are currently used to produce hydrogen fuel.

“Hydrogen is a great fuel for vehicles: It is the cleanest fuel known, it’s cheap and it puts no pollutants into the air — just water,” said Richard Kaner, the study’s senior author and a UCLA distinguished professor of chemistry and biochemistry, and of materials science and engineering. “And this could dramatically lower the cost of hydrogen cars.”

The technology, described in a paper in the journal Energy Storage Materials, could be especially useful in rural areas, or to military units serving in remote locations.

“People need fuel to run their vehicles and electricity to run their devices,” Kaner said. “Now you can make both electricity and fuel with a single device.”

It could also be part of a solution for large cities that need ways to store surplus electricity from their electrical grids.

“If you could convert electricity to hydrogen, you could store it indefinitely,” said Kaner, who also is a member of UCLA’s California NanoSystems Institute.

Traditional hydrogen fuel cells and supercapacitors have two electrodes: one positive and one negative. The device developed at UCLA has a third electrode that acts as both a supercapacitor, which stores energy, and as a device for splitting water into hydrogen and oxygen, a process called water electrolysis. All three electrodes connect to a single solar cell that serves as the device’s power source, and the electrical energy harvested by the solar cell can be stored in one of two ways: electrochemically in the supercapacitor or chemically as hydrogen.

The device also is a step forward because it produces hydrogen fuel in an environmentally friendly way. Currently, about 95 percent of hydrogen production worldwide comes from converting fossil fuels such as natural gas into hydrogen — a process that releases large quantities of carbon dioxide into the air, said Maher El-Kady, a UCLA postdoctoral researcher and a co-author of the research.

“Hydrogen energy is not ‘green’ unless it is produced from renewable sources,” El-Kady said. He added that using solar cells and abundantly available elements to split water into hydrogen and oxygen has enormous potential for reducing the cost of hydrogen production and that the approach could eventually replace the current method, which relies on fossil fuels.

Combining a supercapacitor and the water-splitting technology into a single unit, Kaner said, is an advance similar to the first time a phone, web browser and camera were combined on a smartphone. The new technology may eventually lead to new applications that even the researchers haven’t considered yet, Kaner said.

The researchers designed the electrodes at the nanoscale — thousands of times thinner than the thickness of a human hair — to ensure the greatest surface area would be exposed to water, which increases the amount of hydrogen the device can produce and also stores more charge in the supercapacitor. Although the device the researchers made would fit in the palm of your hand, Kaner said it would be possible to make larger versions because the components are inexpensive.

“For hydrogen cars to be widely used, there remains a need for a technology that safely stores large quantities of hydrogen at normal pressure and temperature, instead of the pressurized cylinders that are currently in use,” said Mir Mousavi, a co-author of the paper and a professor of chemistry at Iran’s Tarbiat Modares University.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: coalisking; cobalt; elonmusk; fisker; hydrogen; hydrogencars; iron; maherelkady; nickel; nonsense; notafuel; raygorte; solarcity; tesla; ucla
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To: American in Israel

Challenger.......................


41 posted on 11/20/2017 12:09:22 PM PST by Red Badger (Road Rage lasts 5 minutes. Road Rash lasts 5 months!.....................)
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To: Red Badger

Yes, they covered the shop and all the tools.

The 3 cars were not insured. Two of them were crappy ones he intended to resell.

One was his prized 1956 Corvette which he had allowed to lapse.

But the homeowners insurance covered them all.

OUCH.


42 posted on 11/20/2017 12:11:55 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

1956 Corvette! I would be crying my heart out!......................

43 posted on 11/20/2017 12:13:29 PM PST by Red Badger (Road Rage lasts 5 minutes. Road Rash lasts 5 months!.....................)
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To: Revel

Hydrogen would work very well in cold climates. it remains a gas at normal pressures down to -423 F.


44 posted on 11/20/2017 12:22:00 PM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Gone but not forgiven.)
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To: Bob434

Yes, but I will get a .00000001 cent royalty for mentioning Scotch brand tape in my advertisements.


45 posted on 11/20/2017 12:23:23 PM PST by wildbill (If you check behind the shower curtain for a slasher, and find one.... what's your plan?)
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To: Red Badger
threw some gasoline on some hot coals from some brush we had burned “To get it going again.”......luckily it just scared the crap outta him, and he just rolled all over the ground to kill the flames...................

I do this about every two months for my brush pile fires. You get used to it after a while.

46 posted on 11/20/2017 12:24:15 PM PST by BipolarBob
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To: marktwain
Hydrogen is not cheap. It is quite expensive. Expensive to produced, expensive to store.

Hydrogen is the MOST common element in the universe by far. Just not in pure form. The covalent bond in H2O is so strong that it takes more energy to break it than what the hydrogen produces. Therefore I don't see this going anywhere.

47 posted on 11/20/2017 12:27:30 PM PST by BipolarBob
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To: Red Badger

It was not a fast car by any means. Straight six, 3 speed.

But it WAS cool and looked precisely like that one.

The only thing he had to replace was the top. Otherwise 100% original with less than 40,000 miles. The paint was still perfect.


48 posted on 11/20/2017 12:29:34 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: BipolarBob

He never did it again!...............


49 posted on 11/20/2017 12:44:36 PM PST by Red Badger (Road Rage lasts 5 minutes. Road Rash lasts 5 months!.....................)
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To: Mariner

Was my dream car as a kid!

Watched Route 66!..................


50 posted on 11/20/2017 12:50:14 PM PST by Red Badger (Road Rage lasts 5 minutes. Road Rash lasts 5 months!.....................)
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To: Signalman

The device could make hydrogen cars affordable - because it produces hydrogen using nickel, iron and cobalt — elements that are much more abundant and less expensive than the platinum and other precious metals that are currently used to produce hydrogen fuel. ////

If they’re talking about fuel cells, they don’t use platinum to make H2. The Pt pile converts ready made H2 and O2 into water and electrons. The electrons power the motor.

I see using solar cells as the limiting agent in this process. Much more efficient to use nuclear powered electrolysis of water to produce “clean H2.”


51 posted on 11/20/2017 1:24:42 PM PST by Ceebass
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To: Signalman

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When will this insanity die?

We need simpler, more reliable, not complex, shakey, unmaintainable, and costly.
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52 posted on 11/20/2017 1:28:36 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Signalman

I’m all in favor of silver bullet solutions. Sometimes they work. But the story is suspiciously quiet about cost.


53 posted on 11/20/2017 1:31:43 PM PST by sphinx
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To: Red Badger

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AKA “lead sled,” “Plastic Pachyderm.” etc.
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54 posted on 11/20/2017 1:32:04 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

But it was beautiful!..................


55 posted on 11/20/2017 1:36:36 PM PST by Red Badger (Road Rage lasts 5 minutes. Road Rash lasts 5 months!.....................)
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To: Red Badger

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Mechanically no different than the 1952 PG sedan!
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56 posted on 11/20/2017 1:57:35 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: marktwain
>>...nickel, iron and cobalt... <<

mining, smelting, shipping, reclaiming...doesn't seem very eco-friendly.

57 posted on 11/20/2017 2:36:03 PM PST by ex91B10
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To: marktwain

From what I remember of the Shuttle launches, they had to continuously fill the external tank right up until a few minutes before launch as the liquid hydrogen kept boiling off. I don’t see how this would be practical in an automobile.


58 posted on 11/20/2017 2:38:55 PM PST by jmcenanly ("The more corrupt the state, the more laws." Tacitus, Publius Cornelius)
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To: jmcenanly

I don’t see how this would be practical in an automobile.


Automobiles use other strategies, like tanks that use metal hydrides to soak up the hydrogen without much pressure.

Storage is a real problem for hydrogen.


59 posted on 11/20/2017 2:42:47 PM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: Mariner
"Hydrogen goes 'bang'"


60 posted on 11/20/2017 3:18:28 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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