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Let the games begin--for those seriously interested in genuine discussion and dialogue.

My household emphatically agrees with this analysis.

The 'therefore what' is a bit trickier than the analysis, however.

The challenge seems to be to avoid enabling the addiction while working to bond with and help build a more constructive sense of the self within the addict.

1 posted on 12/12/2017 9:30:01 AM PST by JockoManning
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To: JockoManning

Yes....many changes are afoot in evaluating root causes of “addiction” and how to deal with them. I’ll pass this on to a friend who is affected by this.


2 posted on 12/12/2017 9:32:54 AM PST by goodnesswins (There were 1.41 MILLION NON Profit orgs in 2013 with $1.73 TRILLION in REVENUE)
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Stop treating a BEHAVIOR as an ILLNESS! I am tired of having my tax money go to support morons who CHOOSE to light up, sniff or inject substances that render them incapable of caring for themselves.


3 posted on 12/12/2017 9:33:42 AM PST by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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For the alcoholic they have a different issue...they process alcohol differently which makes them crave a drink

For the addict they have a hard time detoxing

For both they suffer from incomprehensible demoralization. They are spiritually bankrupt. Until they can change this way of looking at the world they are doomed to die a miserable and lonely death


4 posted on 12/12/2017 9:36:26 AM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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I think (not my field, just my observation) that addicts lack basic coping skills.

That would sort of align with the argument you put forth.


5 posted on 12/12/2017 9:37:54 AM PST by kevslisababy (I am a Genuine Female: No after market parts.)
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This theory may address the issue for some, but for many it is a mile wide of the mark.

Mid-career, highly successful people, with overwhelming circles of friends and family.

Somehow feel the need for “a little help” to maintain the pace, move from coke, which has “worked” for a time, to crack...which takes over and drives them into a ditch.
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6 posted on 12/12/2017 9:50:04 AM PST by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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Only when a person is taught to authentically assess themselves on a consistent basis will they slowly begin to reign in the inertia of their negative habits, in order to reassess.

I'm thinking that in a society in which "everyone gets a trophy" and little snowflakes are given safe spaces to deal with daily trauma, then people may not be learning how to authentically assess themselves.

I'm not sure it will all add up to more addictions, but I do think it really screws with the brain in bad ways.

8 posted on 12/12/2017 9:52:36 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Benedict McCain is the worst traitor ever to wear the uniform of the US military.)
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bump


10 posted on 12/12/2017 10:59:20 AM PST by Albion Wilde (I was not elected to continue a failed system. I was elected to change it. --Donald J. Trump)
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Thanks for all your kind responses. I hope to reply when I return from errands.

One note: My housemate, in all his decades of counseling and teaching never observed ONE case where an addict of any kind was lacking a significant degree of RAD--Attachment Disorder from the first 6 years of an unbonded, unconnected life. And, that does NOT mean that the parents didn't love the child.

As other research has indicated, it does likely indicate that the child did NOT FEEL loved.

11 posted on 12/12/2017 11:10:44 AM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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Mental health (depression, anxiety) issues have been underlying problems with many addicts.


13 posted on 12/12/2017 11:20:46 AM PST by ex91B10
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I’d like to disagree without thoroughly reading, so please disregard this if it demonstrates a lack of understanding the premise.

I agree that pathways are literally formed in the brain, many many in the first few years of life, that can be crucial in determining thought and awareness and even influencing emotion and drive for later life. I disagree that in someone without a genetic predisposition to addiction, being neglected early in life will lead toward substance abuse.

This is one of those situations where how the surrounding adults dealt with substances, as well as any genetic tendencies, plays more of a role than neglect or even lack of love. This is my opinion.


14 posted on 12/12/2017 11:25:43 AM PST by Yaelle
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16 posted on 12/12/2017 12:13:09 PM PST by Pajamajan ( Pray for our nation. Thank the Lor.d for ,ø5 you have. Don't wait. Do it today.)
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Nearly 24 years sober here. Time to stop trying to reinvent the addiction/treatment model.

AA came on the scene in 1939 and almost everything it showed the world, is still true today.

I quit playing word games. I have a condition (or disease or illness), whereby I do not drink normally. My substance of choice was “more beer.”

So lesson #1 is since I cannot drink successfully, normally, I cannot drink at all.

(moderation management largely failed in the real world)

“once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic” (or addict)

Good luck with all of the overeducated Psychobabble theories, mainly to justify costly programs.

Cold turkey detox may be best, since it is not painless.

Contemporary Obamacare style treatment puts fresh newcomers together.

They drink and use drugs in “sober living,” in part because a new commercial model has been substituted for old school, low bottom indigent recovery.

“we don’t drink, no matter what.”


27 posted on 12/12/2017 4:31:28 PM PST by truth_seeker
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An interesting documentary, I believe it is called “Pleasure Unwoven”, describes the physical roads that become carved into the addicts brain.


29 posted on 12/12/2017 6:04:37 PM PST by SisterK (its a spiritual war)
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It’s just a guess on my part, but you’ve never raised any children, have you?


68 posted on 12/13/2017 10:03:55 AM PST by Garth Tater (Gone Galt and I ain't coming back.)
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