Stillwater bail agent fatally shoots client at her office

https://www.liveleak.com/ ^ | 3/14/18

[editor-surveyor]

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Under the surety agreement signed by the bailee and the court, she has the power and responsibility to do that which is necessary to return the bailee to the court.
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[Vendome]

Yep, otherwise it would be impossible to deliver every man his just due, if the application of law were uneven.

[familyop]

"Was Williams a career criminal? If not, I would really need to know how the defense attorney convinced the jury that Williams needed to die and it was a good thing."

Oops. I retract my last reply. Thought you were referring to Carey and not Williams. I don't know one way or the other in Carey's case.

I hate burglary and drug abuse, but Carey was the one on trial. We don't execute crooks for burglary afterwards, away from the scene of the crime. It's best to install cameras and other home security.

[editor-surveyor]

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You need to read the surety agreement that was in effect to make that statement.

If bail agents didn’t have the power to control the bailee, they would never post bail.
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[editor-surveyor]

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You and I didn’t post bail for the perp.

She did.

The court had to sign the bail surety that guaranteed her authority.

[familyop]

"Shooting an unarmed fleeing felon is a no go, unless it is known that the subject will go and inflict harm to another person. Tennessee vs Garner case many years ago determined when you can or cannot use DPF(Deadly Physical Force). If they were struggling for the weapon and it was used to defend yourself is one thing, but when the struggle ends and the bad guy is fleeing,then it’s up to the jury to decide. I hate these scum criminals, but this is the system we have."

Thank you.

[editor-surveyor]

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It is the responsibility of the bail agent to bring the defendent in, and it is up to their discretion what security steps are necessary.
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[editor-surveyor]

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>> “Shooting an unarmed fleeing felon is a no go, unless it is known that the subject will go and inflict harm to another person.” <<

It is a presumption under law that a felon will do that which is necessary to escape return to custody.
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[Telepathic Intruder]

I doubt that implies dead or alive. But according to the article, her case hinged on whether or not it was self-defense. I didn’t see that in the video, I just saw her taking aim and shooting him as he was fleeing. Her son’s testimony probably helped, but who wants to see his mother go to prison?

[editor-surveyor]

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>> “My guess is the jurors heard more.” <<

My guess is that the defense atty or the judge read the bail surety contract to the jury.
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[editor-surveyor]

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>> “I doubt that implies dead or alive” <<

You’re making an assumption that the bail agent sought to return him dead, and that simply was not anywhere near in evidence in the video. She didn’t even have the weapon on her person.
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[Telepathic Intruder]

"You’re making an assumption that the bail agent sought to return him dead"

I'm not assuming anything. She shot him when he was fleeing, unarmed, and not posing a threat. It's right there in the video. You don't shoot someone unless you want them dead.

[editor-surveyor]

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It was her responsibility to bring the perp in.

She tried to give him the chance to do it peacably, but he chose to flee, as clearly evidenced in the video.

What is your problem?

[familyop]

Long ago, I knew a bail bondsman who was arrested for a concealed weapon (statutory felony, probably had a history already) and an arrest in a separate incident for strangling a girlfriend of one of his clients to make her tell him where the client was (usually a felony case). Don’t know what the offenses were plead down to.

He was in a western state, of course, and he had a nasty drug habit, probably coke or meth. He was supported in his activities, but most states won’t tolerate activities like that. A little bird ended his racket by complaining to a judge and writing an op ed.

Last I looked, 12 more peaceful states have constitutional carry with no permit required. Maybe that will eventually cut down on some of the violent offenses and corruption, too. It appears to be working out very well so far.

[Telepathic Intruder]

My problem is evidence, That there isn’t any at all to justify shooting an unarmed person in the back, or that he posed a threat. Don’t we believe in due process anymore?

[BBell]

I like your tag line.

[editor-surveyor]

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>> “My problem is evidence, That there isn’t any at all to justify shooting an unarmed person in the back...” <<

Evidence? - The evidence in the video is clear that he was resisting a lawful arrest.

She had the responsibility and authority to do that which was necessary to return the perp to the court for questioning.
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[Telepathic Intruder]

OK here’s my real problem. I severely doubt she had the authority to just pull her gun and shoot anyone who didn’t do what she says. Not even the police can do that. I don’t think it was premeditated murder, but she overstepped her authority. She should have gotten manslaughter at least.

[editor-surveyor]

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Your doubts are definitely your problem.

That and your lack of understanding of the power of contracts.

She didn’t overstep anything; she was upholding her guarantee to the court. The perp’s death was unfortunate, but was the result of the felony that he committed when he resisted arrest.

Police shoot fleeing felons from behind all the time.
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[Regulator]

“Not even the police can do that”

That’s correct. If it weren’t, why is Michael Slager doing 20 years?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Walter_Scott

And the actual fight between Walter Scott and Michael Slager was real, instead of the fiction that this low rent bail bond woman concocted.

The video shows the guy trying to leave and she clearly pulls out a gun and shoots him in the back as he was leaving. Her only real concern was the money she was going to lose. She has the right to arrest him? So does a cop, but deprivation of rights under color of law applies to her too: the surety bond doesn’t give her life and death decisions over her client. That’s absurd. She didn’t buy him as chattel property. We outlawed that 160 years ago.

Woman murdered a guy and got away with it. Her son is going to be traumatized the rest of his life.