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To: Phlyer
I thank you for your apology. However, you go on to convolute simple arithmetic with advanced Algebra, Calculus, Trigonometry, Geometry and other advanced mathematics.

Newton has been proven partially wrong. Copernicus was absolutely wrong in his math about the Sun being stationary and the center of the Universe. Einstein's and Hawking's math are now in question, as has others through the centuries. Mathematics is not an exact science. It's guys on a chalk or white board replacing certain numerical values with certain symbols and doing the basic arithmetic from there.

I will ask you the same 2 questions I've asked everyone on this thread:
1. Is there such a dimension called time or is it a human mind construct?
2. How did the singularity (super-heated basketball) poof into existence out of nowhere?

Don't give me math equations, tell me why you believe time is real. Then give me an explanation that the basketball magically appeared out of nowhere. You can't.

I thank you for any courteous reply, but I will tell you and other mathematicians and/or physicists, you will never know the answer to those two (2) most basic questions. I doubt our species will ever evolve enough to answer those questions. Theories will come and go, but doubt those 2 will ever be resolved.

Plus what the heck is gravity? Some other apparently learned poster on this thread told me Einstein explained it in his THEORY of Relativity. Plus he said it was not a true force, but an apparent force.

But then some entity from a parallel universe may appear and give us the answers to the Universe, which is more hokum from physicists who need to write papers for their graduate degrees and sell books.

72 posted on 08/16/2018 11:58:24 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (I'm not Islamophobic - I'm Islamonauseous. Plus LGBTQxyz nauseous.)
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To: A Navy Vet
Mathematics is not an exact science.

My initial reaction, without any heavy thinking, is to disagree.

Math IS an exact science, perhaps the only one. 1 + 1 = 2 is always true. What is not necessarily always true are the assumptions we make as to the underlying physics of our universe. Newtonian mechanics works adequately for the scales in which we live our lives, but perhaps not on galactic scales. I have lived most of my career in the world where Newtonian physics is adequate to get by, but it does have limitations as proven by experiments that have shown space warping, time dilation, and gravity wells, things that are very difficult to comprehend, much less measure.

74 posted on 08/16/2018 12:09:20 PM PDT by Magnum44 (My comprehensive terrorism plan: Hunt them down and kill them)
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To: A Navy Vet
You have self-defined that there is no answer to your questions. If that makes you happy, then fine.

I happen to be an engineer. For me, something is 'real' if it is subject to objective observation, which includes some means of measurement/differentiation from other observed phenomena. There is a dimension called "time" in Einstein's equations, and it forms the basis for accurate predictions of observable phenonmena. If that is not sufficient to establish that there is a dimension called time then nothing ever will be (to you).

I happen to be a Christian so my answer for where the original singularity came from is, "God said, 'Let there be light.' And there was light." The question for me is whether God created a universe which is 'honest' in that there are governing 'rules' which we (created in His image) can work to understand. I believe that He did. That's a faith statement, and I don't need to prove it - since it is unprovable. That's that makes it a 'faith' statement.

Most of all, I reject your premise that mathematics as part of an explanation can be rejected. That is, to use my earlier analogy, like someone blind refusing to accept the existence of light, then declaring that anyone who says they can 'see' something is (to use your word) "hokum."

To me, you are like the man who plugs his fingers in his ears and shouts so that he cannot hear an explanation. It makes the explanation impossible to communication, but it does not make the explanation wrong.

But, in a free society, you have the right to be wrong (as those in power would define right and wrong). Be grateful you don't live in Iran.
78 posted on 08/16/2018 1:55:29 PM PDT by Phlyer
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