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Vanity: What is a good study Bible?
4.30.20 | me

Posted on 04/30/2020 5:02:56 PM PDT by spacejunkie2001

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To: philman_36
Dake's. "Some" don't like it. I don't care what "some" think.

It's hard to beat the cross referencing.

What do the underlined phrases in Dake's mean? Most bibles have the notation conventions somewhere in the preface, but I can't find it anywhere in Dake.

81 posted on 04/30/2020 9:55:13 PM PDT by Spirochete (GOP: Gutless Old Party)
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To: CFIIIMEIATP737

I absolutely concur. The Key Word Study Bible is invaluable to me. It is such a blessing to have the original text to compare. It is so user friendly. You will be amazed at the revelation you get. I used it solely when I wrote and published my last Bible study of the Tabernacle. It is written in NASB.


82 posted on 04/30/2020 9:55:57 PM PDT by Anti-Hillary (Soon everything in America will be "free", except it's people.)
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To: esopman
It is helpful to understand all this in the light of some very important scholars and their response to the Gospel. Jewish scholars who study Isaiah 53 and still cannot see Jesus continue to amaze me.

Rom 11:7  What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded 
Rom 11:8  (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day. 
Rom 11:9  And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them: 
Rom 11:10  Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway. 

Rom 11:25  For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 

83 posted on 04/30/2020 10:11:14 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: spacejunkie2001
The Life Application Bible is the best, since it actually tells you how to apply Biblical principals to your life.

A lot of study bibles only about technical details and trivia.

I use the Barclay bible series for study...separate books but there is an Android app on my cellphone. His theology tends to be liberal but he usually includes other points of view in the comments.

I heard about these commentaries years ago,when someone asked Bishop Sheen what (Catholic) bible study to use since the post Vatican II studies were full ofscepticism. He recommended Barclay,a Presbyterian cleric, noting that the books were so full of love of Christ and knowledge of scriptures, and that most Catholics would recognize the few doctrinal differences and could seek the reasons for those dogmas in the Catechism which would cite the biblical references and the early church fathers etc.

84 posted on 05/01/2020 12:36:12 AM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: Spirochete
What do the underlined phrases in Dake's mean?

Paragraph two of the Preface says"...the text emphasized with underlining where helpful..."

So underlining is meant to emphasis certain text.

85 posted on 05/01/2020 1:00:17 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Spirochete
Most bibles have the notation conventions somewhere in the preface, but I can't find it anywhere in Dake.

As I said, it's right there in the second paragraph of the Preface. Did you skip right to the end where the symbols are explained?

86 posted on 05/01/2020 1:07:39 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: caww

Spiritual men and women hunger for spiritual food, and feast on it wherever it is.

But always make scripture itself your primary source. All great books, no matter how great, are “pre-digested” food, with truth gleaned by other saints......from where? Mostly from their feasting directly on God’s Word.

First-hand revelation from God is always better than 2nd hand. It is yours, and cannot be taken from you. Both require the Holy Spirit though.


87 posted on 05/01/2020 4:24:55 AM PDT by Arlis
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To: spacejunkie2001

I want to amend my comments in response #62

1. I listed the Holman NKJ SB twice. What I should have said is The Nelson NKJ SB and the Holman NKJ SB. Both are good and theologically similar but the Holman is a nicer production.

2. If one is a strict Reformed/Calvinist A-MIL, then either the Reformation SB or the ESV Study Bible are worth consideration. Between the two the ESV is vastly superior in terms of the quality and quantity or notes and other goodies.

As an aside, Study Bibles such as the Life Application and New Living Translation SB (NLT SB) are more geared on pastoral advice rather than theological instruction. Nothing wrong with that just a different emphasis on the content. What is unclear in this thread is just exactly what the user of said SB wants as far as benefits of ownership.


88 posted on 05/01/2020 4:57:05 AM PDT by fatboy
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To: Spirochete
biblehub.com is a good source for you to confirm you allegations.

you lose credibility when you make the kind of statement you did only to be shown the NASB and others do include the statement you said they didn't.

89 posted on 05/01/2020 5:14:46 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone
I have heard of it.

For your information:

The Ungodly Fruit of Modern Textual Criticism

Outline headings excerpted:

1. Modern textual criticism has resulted in uncertainty in the Biblical text.

2. Modern textual criticism has resulted in “the tyranny of the experts.”

3. Because of modern textual criticism, the certainty and dogmatism of a settled biblical text has been replaced with the uncertainty of conflicting texts.

4. The contemporary doctrine of eclecticism has elevated the Bible student as the master of the text and has resulted in a massive decline in the authority of the Scriptures in this generation.

5. The uncertainty produced by modern textual criticism has given ammunition to the enemies of the Bible.

6. Modern textual criticism has led many into theological modernism.

7. Modern textual criticism has furthered the ecumenical movement by bringing Protestants, Baptists, and Catholics together in the field of Bible texts and translation. This is a powerful exhibit of the unscriptural fruit of modern textual criticsm:
(From
David Cloud, Way of Life Literature, P.O. Box 610368, Port Huron, MI 48061
October 1, 2007
866-295-4143, fbns@wayoflife.org
The following excerpts are from Cloud's publication of excerpts of
FAITH VS. THE MODERN BIBLE VERSIONS: A COURSE ON BIBLE TEXTS AND VERSIONS AND A 10-FOLD DEFENSE OF THE KING JAMES BIBLE.
==========

Do you know enough about the Scriptural treatment of those who criticize the written word to confound the above assertions?

I long ago became a life member of the Dean Burgon Society (click here).

90 posted on 05/01/2020 5:20:39 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Mr Rogers
“No Bishop. No King.”

It is not clear what you mean by this. What is your intention here? Where did you get this from? Give us a citation that testifies that James Stuart said this, please, and what he meant by it if he did.

91 posted on 05/01/2020 5:27:03 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: spacejunkie2001
Lutheran Study Bible

Setting aside the non-Biblical claims of the self-worshippers destroying the modern churches, true orthodox Lutheranism sprang from Augustinian monk Martin Luther's intense study of the Bible. God's Word is true yesterday, today and forever.

92 posted on 05/01/2020 6:02:42 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (re: domestic supply chains: "We cannot outsource our independence!" -- Donald J. Trump)
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To: imardmd1

Have any doctrines changed as a result of using the more ancient Greek texts than those used in the TR?


93 posted on 05/01/2020 6:12:14 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Arlis

......”Always make scripture itself your primary source”......

As much as I appreciate any number of extrabiblical sources, they are indeed assistants to the absolute authority which alone is inspired and inerrant: Scripture

“All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work” (2 Tim. 3:16–17)

Scripture is enough because the work of Christ is enough.

The question always is whether we will open our Bibles and bother to listen.


94 posted on 05/01/2020 6:22:52 AM PDT by caww
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To: spacejunkie2001

Check out the Cepher.

https://www.cepher.net/


95 posted on 05/01/2020 6:27:23 AM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: caww

Amen.


96 posted on 05/01/2020 6:29:03 AM PDT by Arlis
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To: LadyDoc
William Barclay actually was noted as a world-renowned Scottish New Testament interpreter...He was the minister of Trinity Church, Renfrew,Scotland. and Professor of Divinity and Bible Criticism at the University of Glasgow.

Barclay said of his works.....”that they had one aim-to convey the results of scholarship to the ordinary reader”...and yet his primary aim was never academic. Rather as he stated...” could be summed up in the words of Richard of Chester's prayer - “to enable men and women to know Jesus Christ more clearly, to love Him more dearly, and to follow Him more nearly.”

Though there are areas I think He goes too far or I disagree with, it's clear he accomplishes the intentions of his writings. He does stimulate ones thinking and desire for more.

97 posted on 05/01/2020 6:56:30 AM PDT by caww
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To: imardmd1

“No Bishop. No King.” / “It is not clear what you mean by this.”

“If bishops were put out of power, “I know what would become of my supremacy,” James objected. “No bishop, no King. When I mean to live under a presbytery I will go to Scotland again.” Willson, p. 198, p. 207.” - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_VI_and_I_and_religious_issues

King James had lived in Scotland where bishops ruling the church had been rejected. He foresaw - correctly - that if a congregation could choose who led it, the a nation might think about choosing its ruler: “No Bishop. No King.”

So he instructed the translators to use words supporting a top-down chain of command in the church:

“Another rule sought to control the ecclesiastical language of the new version: ‘The old ecclesiastical words [are] to be kept, viz. the word “church” not to be translated “congregation” etc.’ The implementation of this rule was to be a persistent source of Puritan objections to the KJV, as Puritans, appropriating Tyndale’s argument, preferred ‘congregation’ to ‘church’, ‘wash’ to ‘baptise’, ‘elder’ or ‘senior’ to ‘bishop’and ‘minister’ to ‘priest’.”

https://www.biblesociety.org.uk/uploads/content/bible_in_transmission/files/2011_summer/BiT_Summer_2011_Campbell.pdf

It is a case where the KJV deliberately translated things improperly to fit the politics of the day.


98 posted on 05/01/2020 7:08:18 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: caww
Well I’ll disagree because God will use translations of varying sorts to teach and use by His Spirit...after all He is the author.

The only texts the Holy Spirit is the author of are the original handwritten documents produced under His direction, and faithful copies thereof. No translation into another language is or can be inspired.

It is not without great difficulty that Brooke Foss Westcott or John Fenton Anthony Hort can be presented as Spirit-born children of God, either in their scholarship or theit social inclinations. . Churchmen? certainly, but regenerate? God will judge their work product.

Their synthesized Greek text never saw the eye of another living human until its publication in 1891, and it has been in the process of being corrected ever since. Art Farstad, the guiding light of the NKJV said to arise from the Received Text, was one of the principal authors of "The Greek New Testament According to Majority Text"; Zane Hodges being the co-author. I have the idea that Farstad was no fan of the Westcott/Hort minimalist opus.

In our day the best Byzantine/Majority Textform available is the one published not long ago by Maurice Robinson and William Pierpont, titled "The New Testament in the Original Greek" (click here) of which I have a copy. It is highly annotated page by page, verse by verse, by the authors. The sincere Bible student would do well to make this his/her foundational New Testament text.

From it, and coordinated with Scrivener's Textus Receptus, the old Baptist missionary and teacher Fred Wittman (who has been my discipler for almost 30 years) has published the first volume of translation from it of the New Testament: "The Gospels: A Precise Translation" (click here), freely offered by request offered on the home page of Happy Heralds, Inc.

This volume contains a running chronology of the text, as well as appendices on the use of Greek grammar, and unique features of Jesus' ministry. It is meant to supplement the KJV and make clear some passages in which the English appears to permit disagreement because of certain words and phrases which are now more ambiguous than perhaps to the translators, or perhaps a compromise on their individual views.

I suggest that you take the time to obtain and review this first volume that is poles away from the compromising "dynamic equivalency" but sticks to the clarity imposed by rigorous (if awkward) rendering of the Greek as to the mind of the first century reader would see it using the commonly accepted grammar of mid-east Greek-speaking well-educated Gentile businessmen and socially cosmopolitan writers.

This volume, and its companion volume telling of the foundation and growth of New Testament autonomous assemblies, are treasuries of how the Holy Spirit used this precise language to convey the secrets of the Old Testament and make them broadly revealed to all men that they be saved by faith in the Word made plain.

99 posted on 05/01/2020 11:12:20 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: grumpa

Agree
Reformation Study Bible


100 posted on 05/01/2020 11:15:53 AM PDT by Guenevere (Press On!)
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