Posted on 03/13/2023 2:40:59 PM PDT by nickcarraway
Yes.
The argument used to be that there was more evidence for Jesus than Homer, and yet no one questioned that Homer existed but did for Jesus.
“Back in the day, we were taught that Homer wrote down existing oral stories - that he is believed to have actually written them is new to me.”
I was taught he used existing, time honored plots and combined them with using his own muse.
—”Consider the low quality of the Suitors, and that they were only after her money!”
Clearly, he took care of the suitors, hangers-on, and unfaithful maids...
Then Tennyson says Ulysses (AKA Odysseus) put the band back together and headed out...
“We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.”
As a septuagenarian, I can dream with the guys.
The Emily Wilson translation of The Odyssey was so good, I could not stop reading it! And I knew the ending.
Try it, you will like it.
Real!
Yup. And there is a very great deal of evidence - specific memory markers such as repetitions of "rosy-fingered dawn" for example - that both poems are exactly that. The controversy these days mostly centers around the question "Were there two Homers?", based on subtle differences between the Greek dialect used in the oldest available copies of the respective works. That's way outside my paygrade but my last Classics professor said he thinks there's a good chance there probably were.
Obviously Homer did not write the two epic poems.
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It was William Shakespeare.
Obviously Homer did not write the two epic poems.
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It was William Shakespeare.
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Lol
Well played 👍
Damn right!
Is Marge real? Bart?
Pretty soon everything is called into question...
Whoever wrote this piece seems unaware of all the work that has been done on oral poetry since the 1920s by Milman Parry, Albert Bates Lord and many other scholars. Homer would have been illiterate. Whether the same poet created the Iliad and the Odyssey is still debated.
There were performers of epic poetry called Homeridae who claimed to be descendants of Homer but whether he really existed is unknown.
Archilochus of Paros was active in the mid-600s and we know something about him. If Homer was as late as the 7th century we probably would know something definite about him.
I agree. It has that halting, abrupt, spasmodic style common to AI.
The transition was in the late 60's to early 70's. My older high school teachers taught ancient, medieval and modern European history as one would expect using well established texts.
For American histroy we got some bright spark of a young genius out of one of our well-known Ivy League schools who taught us that American history is the history of immagrants. End of story. Nothing more to know. We learned nothing. And within 40 years the rot has spread everywhere and corrupted everything.
If Herodotus said that Homer did not write any of the other Epic Cycle poems, would that not point to Homer’s authorship of the two attributed to him?
I was taught he used existing, time honored plots and combined them with using his own muse.
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That was after the teaching of classics and history were changed by know-nothing teachers.
Once his stories and plays became popular, and made money, his name was plagiarized by many of Joe Biden’s ancestors..............
Why would Herodotus, or any other Greek of the fifth century, know anything for sure about Homer’s authorship of the Iliad and the Odyssey? Greeks of the classical period thought they knew many things about the Bronze Age which are now considered unproven legends. Thucydides thought he could use details in Homer as historical evidence.
that’s good! where is it from?
Hey! Go kipple somewhere else!
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