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It’s interesting that the “ministry of defense” in Ukraine can somehow analyze the data and determine the losses and casualties Russia has suffered but can’t seem to figure out how many Ukrainian soldiers and equipment they’ve lost. I think we’re entitled to those facts and figures since we’re paying the salaries of Ukrainian civil servants who analyze this data.


84 posted on 12/29/2023 3:23:34 PM PST by Prince of Space (Trump 2024!)
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To: Prince of Space

>It’s interesting that the “ministry of defense” in Ukraine can somehow analyze the data and determine the losses and casualties Russia has suffered but can’t seem to figure out how many Ukrainian soldiers and equipment they’ve lost. I think we’re entitled to those facts and figures since we’re paying the salaries of Ukrainian civil servants who analyze this data.<

Yes, Prince that’s extremely interesting...and think about this:

The American people don’t know how much money we’ve poured into Zelensky’s corrupt little paradise or where the equipment we’ve sent to him has gone.

But you can be certain HE knows down to the red cent and artillery round.


86 posted on 12/29/2023 3:42:38 PM PST by bimboeruption (“Less propaganda would be appreciated.” JimRob 12-2-2023)
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To: Prince of Space; bimboeruption; UMCRevMom@aol.com; BabaOreally
Prince of Space #84: "It’s interesting that the “ministry of defense” in Ukraine can somehow analyze the data and determine the losses and casualties Russia has suffered but can’t seem to figure out how many Ukrainian soldiers and equipment they’ve lost."

Russians don't report their own casualties and Russians estimate Ukraine's casualties at around 400,000 so far.
Ukrainians don't report their own casualties and estimate Russian killed or seriously wounded at around 350,000 so far.

US intelligence estimates put Russian casualties, total to date, at 315,000 in December.
The UK puts Russian casualties at circa 350,000.

Estimates of Ukrainian casualties run in the 200,000 range.

It's worth remembering here that Russia's population is around 145 million (75% ethnic Russians), Ukraine's maybe 40 million (80% ethnic Ukrainians).

As for numbers of various nations' equipment on hand and lost in Ukraine, those are said to be well known by Pentagon and other US government officials.
Whether making such numbers public would benefit Ukraine's war effort is at least debatable.

bimboeruption #84: "The American people don’t know how much money we’ve poured into Zelensky’s corrupt little paradise or where the equipment we’ve sent to him has gone."

Those numbers can depend on who is counting and how, exactly, they count.
The top line number is usually put at $113 billion total authorized over two years, of which roughly half is through the Pentagon ($62 billion) and the rest through mostly the State Department ($51 billion).
The appropriation requested by the Biden administration for 2024 is another circa $60 billion.

How much of that was actually delivered, we are not told, though it's often implied that the current authorizations are now nearly all used up.

So, it's worth noticing again that most or all of the military hardware delivered so far is said to be surplus or obsolete pending scrap, and that the values listed as shipped to Ukraine were actually our own costs to replace such obsolete hardware with our latest technical upgrades.
So, the actual values of equipment Ukraine received were far less than the amounts in our budgets.

As for alleged Ukrainian corruption, by all objective measures it is vastly less than Russian corruption, and has improved significantly in the past 20 years, though Ukraine still has a way to go before it can meet European Union minimum standards in such matters.

Turns out that all reports of alleged Zelenskyy yachts and foreign homes are pure Russian propaganda, however Russia's Vlad the Invader is himself reported as one of the world's wealthiest men, worth $70 billion, with many reported yachts, including this one:
Ukraine's Volodymyr Zelenskyy's wealth is estimated at $30 million, of which 75% is in the value of his TV production company, which produced the Ukrainian hit TV series, "Servant of the People" from 2015 to 2019.

One of Vlad the Invader's yachts, worth $700 million, in Italy:

107 posted on 12/31/2023 5:26:36 AM PST by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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