Posted on 03/23/2024 10:52:36 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
That 27,000 figure is bogus, the “pyramid” ruins are likely less than 2000 years old.
Whoops, can’t use that source on FR. [blush]
https://www.reading.ac.uk/archaeology/staff/steven-mithen
Steven’s research interests cover from the origin of Homo at c. 2 million years ago to the origin and spread of farming, and the use of heritage for sustainable development, individual and community wellbeing:
3. Evolution of the Human Mind, Language and Music. Steven has been one of the pioneers of cognitive archaeology, drawing on research within psychology, neuroscience and philosophy of mind for the interpretation of the archaeological record. His current project, Saying the word, focuses on the relationship between words, thought and cultural evolution.
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On the left, the “Alien . . .” might be a steam-powered robot dog?
Yeah! Might be! You are now an official expert on ancient hieroglyphics!
The iDog.
:^)
There’s also two gravity-bombs and two more kevlar helmets, but I ran out of room to point them out.
Hardly. Both results and approaches are produced by the human mind.
The “helicopter” is actually a hieroglyph dragonfly. The rest of these misidentifications are similarly mundane.
Both results and approaches are produced by the human mind.
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I agree that Descartes put theology and witchcraft out there together as a sub-branch on the tree of philosophy. That has been the big reveal for philsophy students at universities in the west for the last 500 years.(where other branches of the tree of knowledge were mathematics, physics biology, etc..)They became the categories for our university system—and largely the reason for the slow intergenerational death of religion in the West.
I do not think that Descartes is correct, however.
Theology and philosophy are ontologically different.
Theology does not belong on the Descartes philosopher’s tree.
Genesis put the Tree of Knowledge and the Tree of Life as different trees in the Garden of Eden. Adam and Eve walked in the Garden
God created all of it.
Both results and approaches are produced by the human mind.
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I do agree too that the great winner of the Reformation was neither the Catholics nor the protestants. Both are now pale shadows of their former selves. Rather what has become ascendent is the followers of Servetus by way of Descartes. Descartes created the org chart for the modern university system with his tree of knowledge.
Servetus was a scientist.
Descartes himself was a student of Servetus who was burned at the stake in Switzerland for his heresy. What was his heresy? He believed that Jesus was just a man—and not fully God as well as fully man. (That put him in the same camp as the Moslems with whom the Catholics and more recently the protestants had been at war for the previous 800 years.)
Descartes created the org chart for the modern university.
That’s all history. The world has moved on. Now the universities are back to religion again. But it’s a premodern pagan religion mentioned often in the Old Testament.
As I said, produced by the human mind.
As I said, produced by the human mind.
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Interesting.
Francis Crick, an avowed atheist and one of the two discoverers of the double helix chromosome—when asked as to where all the DNA came from—opined that likely the DNA came from space aliens.
Do you agree with Crick’s take?
Oh, that’s the only other choice, eh? Nonsense.
Philosophy and theology use similar tools and the differences between any philosophy and/or any theology vary a great deal, but arise from the same seeking of meaning, origin, etc.
I agree with Thomas Aquinas, that there are different kinds of knowledge and to obtain them require different methods. For physical world stuff, the scientific method; for theology/philosphy and morals/ethics, other.
Oh, that’s the only other choice, eh? Nonsense.
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There are two choices as to the origin of life that I know of that do not require a Creator—or a designer.
1.)Life spontaneously generated from the primordial soup of early earth x billion years ago—and then developed by way of evolution to US—as in you and I.
2.) Earth was seeded with the ingredients for life by space aliens. And then these seeds evolved to become US as in You and I.
It sounds like you have still more alternatives for biological creation that do not require a creator or designer.
I would be interested to hear them.
Sounds like you’re going to continue down the path with your straw man, I’m not going with you. Bye.
Sorry. I didn’t mean to put you out.
The origin stories of the Sumerians from whom Abraham came—included characters that look very much like people from space.
The Book of Enoch which by reputation was written 200-300bc, mentioned in the New Testament, and banned by the Jews about 300 AD...that book has characters that look very much like the original space alien characters of the ancient Sumerians.
Some say the Old Testament reference to this period is in Genesis 6:1-4.
About 300 AD—or roughly the same time as the council of nicea—the Jews banned the Book of Enoch and the Book of Jubilee because they wanted to emphasize that “God oh God, Our God is One.” Those books had too many Gods/gods. Christians took their cue from the Jews and banned those books too.
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These space aliens mentioned by the Sumerians—could well have been the people of the steppe who raided south with ease on horses and chariots 6000 years ago—because their technology was the most advanced in that age. And steppe men were two inches taller and broader at the shoulder than everyone else. In Europe, the story is that the steppe men killed all the Anatolian/western hunter-gatherer men and took their wives for their own. So most European men today have a lineage that runs through the steppe.
That same pattern is also shown in the Caucasus east of Turkey. It wouldn’t be unreasonable to think that these steppe herders did the same thing to everyone in the Middle East and South Asia as well.
I’ve just given you another possibility.
Hybridization goes back to the beginning. You hear biologists say that mitochondria were once separate cells. But then at some point, about 1.4 billion years ago—they fused with the host cells.
But these things come later.
They are not origins.
It could be that the simplest answer is “we don’t know” the origins of either the complexity of life or the simplicity of matter/energy.
My own view on origins is what I hear. I hear a lot of scientists say that it is not sufficient to point to gaps in knowledge and say —that’s where God is. That is what’s called the God of the Gaps.
Rather the design of organic and inorganic matter suggests a designer for the same reason as your watch would suggest that someone made it, or a piece of paper with writing would suggest that someone wrote it.
What is your take?
Some years ago I read the famous book (author and title not on the shelf right now) about intelligent design, and picked around in one of the other large tomes (collection of pro and con essays) that was edited at one of the universities or colleges around here (again, title and editor not in there right now).
There's a freak on FR right now (Ted Holden back again, this is his sixth nick, maybe more) who thinks humans originated on Jupiter's moon Ganymede. I enjoy the panspermia topic, but am not a fan of the various iterations of "humans came from another planet". The late Theodore Sturgeon (sci-fi writer) penned a short story (I read it in a collection titled The Stars are the Styx that has an interesting take on the idea, but like all science fiction, it remains fiction. :^)
Darwin/Alfred Russel Wallace invented natural selection as the mechanism behind speciation. By the time I was in high school it had been edited to, "mutations arise at random" which turns out to be the only thing needed for speciation. Genetic structures such as chromosomes weren't known when 'Origin of Species' came out, and his inheritance doesn't tell us much. Natural selection is at most a force for local extinction. The resistance to the large impact mass extinction model is strongest in the UK, where Darwin (not the American Wallace) has been enshrined as doctrine.
Meanwhile, the physical world is properly studied through the scientific method, ideally untainted by agenda and ideology.
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