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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

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To: Carolina; HairoftheDog
I guess we moved to Buckland, where folks are queer, huh? At least Maggot's is nearby, and we can make the trip to Bree easily enough!
41 posted on 03/14/2002 7:19:16 AM PST by JenB
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To: Carolina;All
Thanks for the mushrooms.. By the way... Penny found these dashing pictures of our hobbits at the SAG awards. I like the cool sunglasses.

Any further news on the rumor that our cast has something outlandish planned for the Oscars?

42 posted on 03/14/2002 7:54:40 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: JenB
It's good that we moved away from those strange goings-on down in Hobbiton....old Mr. Bilbo vanishing and all.
43 posted on 03/14/2002 7:55:28 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog
This is long and offerred in its entirety ... might be a bit of a new angle to consider.

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"Tolkien, Hitler, and Nordic Heroism

By J.P. Zmirak

FrontPageMagazine.com | December 20, 2001

A SHADOWY, evil overlord hides himself amid an unmapped mountain range. There he wields absolute power over fanatics and slaves, scheming for domination over the free peoples of the world. He sends forth assassins into peaceful lands and cities, spreading terror among civilians.

A capsule history of the past six months? No, that’s the plot of the movie I’m going to see tonight—The Lord of the Rings. Director Peter Jackson (Heavenly Creatures, 1994) could not have known how timely its release would prove—coming as it does as America hunts down a terror network built on a theology of evil, a perversion of Islam which promises eternal sensual reward for the reckless slaughter of civilians. The Lord of the Rings speaks to current events. It also touches on the most important themes of Western civilization—freedom, faith, and what it means to be a hero.

The Birth of Middle Earth

As a teenager, J.R.R. Tolkien neglected his Latin and Greek to study Norse. And Finnish. And Anglo-Saxon. Tolkien thrilled at studying medieval eddas and sagas, and mastering dusty grammars to decode half-forgotten tales. At Oxford, he made himself the university’s expert in Nordic literature, and won a prestigious chair which he’d hold for the next four decades.

What attracted Tolkien to these tales was their unique, heroic ethos. Written down by recently Christianized barbarians, stories such as Beowulf and Sir Gawain and the Green Knight intertwined the old, pagan values of individualism, courage and promise-keeping with Biblical themes of self-sacrifice, defense of the helpless, and piety towards the One God. Thus were the warriors of the North civilized, and urged to restrain their swords by the codes of Hebrew prophets and Christian theologians. The grandsons of the Viking raiders began to bind themselves to the Ten Commandments and Augustine’s "just war" theory.

Tolkien saw in this literature a great, unsung moment in the birth of the West. Like the Baron de Montesquieu, Tolkien saw as specifically "Nordic" the individualism and hatred for tyranny that pervades these sagas, which set medieval and modern man apart from the obedient subjects of Rome and Byzantium. (See David Gress’ From Plato to NATO for more on this fascinating connection.)

This freeman’s spirit survived for centuries in the stubborn cantons of Switzerland, the "free cities" of the Holy Roman Empire, and the gentry of England; the privileges won by Anglo-Saxons from their kings formed the basis of English Common Law, and its great modern descendant—the U.S. Bill of Rights. (See Wilhelm Röpke’s The Social Crisis of Our Time and Russell Kirk’s The Roots of American Order for documentation and analysis.)

The work of Tolkien’s close friend C.S. Lewis also refers to "the North" as the source of individualism and resistance to unjust authority; in The Chronicles of Narnia, his heroes’ battle cry is "for Narnia and the North." In Narnia, as in The Lord of the Rings, the heroes were based on medieval, Northern European knights, who fought for free societies based on tradition, custom, and courage—against slave armies recruited from southern climes, who carried scimitars, lived in the desert, and cringed before Oriental despots. (Of course, that brings us back to current events...)

The Modern Barbarians

It is ironic that even as Tolkien wrote to immortalize the great synthesis of Northern heroism with Biblical morality, modern barbarians labored to reverse it. The proto-Nazi "Völkisch" movement, born in the blood and humiliation of Napoleon’s conquest of Germany, had for a century agitated against Judaeo-Christian "softness," in favor of pagan ruthlessness. (Peter Viereck’s Metapolitics [Capricorn, 1961] traces this re-barbarization of German thought in the 19th century.) Völkisch boosters of Nordic literature ignored its heroic individualism in favor of its residues of pagan tribalism, "deconstructing" the Judaeo-Christian elements as "inauthentic" overlays on the "pure" originals. The artistic pinnacle of this project appeared in Wagner’s grand operas, based on "pure" pagan sources. Its political apogee came with the victory of a Völkish-socialist demagogue in Germany.

While Adolf Hitler was careful at first to conceal his neo-pagan agenda, his followers were not: Heinrich Himmler created the SS explicitly as a pagan parody of the Society of Jesus, conducted extensive research attempting to rehabilitate medieval witchcraft, and held torchlit liturgies to Odin and other Norse gods. Hitler’s ideologist, Alfred Rosenberg, issued tracts denouncing the Gospels. Josef Goebbels aspired to wipe out "after the last Jew, the last priest." Hitler’s ally, General Erich Ludendorff, called for the abolition of Christianity in Germany. By 1936, Hitler was suppressing Catholic trade unions, movements and schools, and forming amongst Protestants a militaristic "German Christian" church that would sanction the regime’s savage anti-Semitism. Hitler opined to Albert Speer that he wished Germany had been converted to Islam instead of Christianity, the better to suit it to ruthless warfare.

Fighting for the True North

As a fervent Catholic, a veteran of the Somme, and a genuine scholar of Nordic cultures, Tolkien was not blind to these events. In 1938, Tolkien denounced the Nazis’ "wholly pernicious and unscientific race-doctrine." When German publishers Rütten and Loening wished to translate The Hobbit from English, they wrote him, inquiring whether his name was of "Aryan" origin. Tolkien’s reply dripped scorn:

I regret that I am not clear as to what you intend by arisch. I am not of Aryan extraction: that is, Indo-Iranian; as far as I am aware none of my ancestors spoke Hindustani, Persian, Gypsy, or any related dialects. But if I am to understand that you are enquiring whether I am of Jewish origin, I can only reply that I regret that I appear to have no ancestors of that gifted people.

As he would write his son, Michael, in 1941 (then a cadet training for the British army):

...I have in this War a burning private grudge—which would probably make me a better soldier at 49 than I was at 22: against that ruddy little ignoramus Adolf Hitler... Ruining, perverting, misapplying, and making for ever accursed, that noble, northern spirit, a supreme contribution to Europe, which I have ever loved, and tried to present in its true light. Nowhere, incidentally, was it nobler than in England, nor ever more early sanctified and Christianized.

We see in Tolkien’s life, opinions, and work an enduring rebuff to the totalitarian evils of his century. The moral key to The Lord of the Rings is the refusal of ruthlessness and the immutability of the moral law. The Ring is a mighty weapon of war—but profoundly tinged with evil. The Ring may not be used, even against the Dark Lord himself, lest its user be corrupted and become what he hates. Some means are so evil that no end can justify them. Some laws are so sacred that we must willingly die rather than violate them. We may never target the innocent in order to weaken the guilty. These lessons, which Tolkien drew from the Christian, heroic sagas of the North, should linger in our minds and restrain our passions—especially in time of war.

Mr. Zmirak is author of Wilhelm Röpke: Swiss Localist, Global Economist, a study of the free-market economist who was architect of the post-war German economic "miracle."

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A bit heavy; however I liked this guy's style.

44 posted on 03/14/2002 8:17:36 AM PST by Countyline
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To: 2JedisMom;All
Shame that 2JedisMom is not here for our housewarming because she is spending time with her family during their loss. We are thinking about you and your husband 2JM. I feel for him on the loss of his Dad. I lost my mom already, as you know, and that hole will never be filled.

Since 2JM is not here to plug the egroup, I will. Many have already joined our FreeRepublic Hobbit Hole egroup. It is a private place, so FReepmail me,JenB,ecurbh,Penny1 or any of the regulars for instructions on joining.

It has a chat room
But we also have a lot of cool stuff there.
A common place for us to share all our mathoms we have picked up.
I still am browsing through all the photos and files folk have put there!

We gather and chat there sometimes, and it is a good place to join us for the Oscars coming up, as well as other times when we just want to chit/chat without going to the trouble to put it in print!

45 posted on 03/14/2002 8:24:45 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Countyline
I like it too... Thanks!

excerpts I like:

...It also touches on the most important themes of Western civilization—freedom, faith, and what it means to be a hero...

...The moral key to The Lord of the Rings is the refusal of ruthlessness and the immutability of the moral law. The Ring is a mighty weapon of war—but profoundly tinged with evil. The Ring may not be used, even against the Dark Lord himself, lest its user be corrupted and become what he hates. Some means are so evil that no end can justify them. Some laws are so sacred that we must willingly die rather than violate them. We may never target the innocent in order to weaken the guilty. These lessons, which Tolkien drew from the Christian, heroic sagas of the North, should linger in our minds and restrain our passions—especially in time of war...

Misapplied patriotism sometimes tempts us to compromise our highest principles because of tough choices. But we mus'nt. Principles are made for times of tough choices and tests. To guide us when choices are harder to make.

Now, what about that does Boromir not get?

Whew... will need some pints after all that thinking!

46 posted on 03/14/2002 8:49:42 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Are we picking on Faithful Jewel today? :)
47 posted on 03/14/2002 8:59:01 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog
Because Boromir saw the ring as a weapon. Gondor and the defense of Gondor was his sole thought. Even when he was told that he could not wield the ring... he was still tempted to use the ring not for personal gain, but to defend a people and his country. A noble goal no matter how misguided it ended up being. In the end, he saw that Gandalf and Aragorn were right about the ring... power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. He repented and protected Merry and Pippin to his death.

Sometimes we need to have compassion and understanding when these characters are revealed as frail and flawed (just like people in real life) Most posters (this is only my take) have two thoughts. The characters either aren't flawed at all or too flawed...

But to me, Tolkien did a good job of presenting his characters with strength and weaknesses and he stayed true to those strengths and weaknesses, which is what makes the story riveting.

If after reading the chapter The Council of Elrond you didn't believe that Boromir would try to gain the ring for Gondor's defense then you weren't paying attention. (Not you HOTD -- that's a rhetorical you). The fact that he did, was wonderful. Then... just in life (with some people) understanding came... with understanding came changes.

48 posted on 03/14/2002 9:01:25 AM PST by carton253
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To: Overtaxed
Just trying to stir up old controversy. Old wounds are easier to find than coming up with new ones.

Even an adequate patriot ought to be able to see that evil cannot ever be used to conquer evil, only replace it.

49 posted on 03/14/2002 9:03:40 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: carton253
Thanks, of course you are right. Tolkien gave us not flawed characters, but characters with flaws, characters with very real strengths and weaknesses. Characters that occasionally make choices that turn ill.

We have a lot to learn from Boromir of course. And his place in the story (IMHO) is to encourage us to confront our own curiosity about temptation.

50 posted on 03/14/2002 9:09:27 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
As a daily "America The Right Way" poster, I want to welcome you to the "General Interest" side of things!

After seeing LOTR twice I have just started re-reading (after about, oh, a 25-year break) the trilogy. Expect I may be hanging out here some, at least in lurk mode.:)

51 posted on 03/14/2002 9:11:50 AM PST by MozartLover
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To: HairOfTheDog
I think Boromir's place in the story was to be the catalyst to get Frodo to leave the Fellowship.
52 posted on 03/14/2002 9:16:37 AM PST by carton253
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re: Boromir and the Ring

The big problem was Boromir usurping his brother Faramir's call. Both Faramir and Boromir were called in dreams (Boromir once, Faramir several times) to go to Imaldris and seek Isildur's Bane. Had Faramir gone, things might have proceeded differently for the Fellowship (not that it didn't work out all right in the end).

53 posted on 03/14/2002 9:17:04 AM PST by Snake65
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To: MozartLover
Welcome, and happy to help ATRW to "class up" the GI side. I frequently lurk on your thread, so you are welcome to lurk (or post) on ours!

Also look for the Green Dragon Inn to be moved over tomorrow. It is a Chapter-by-Chapter more structured discussion... maybe on your re-read you can read along with us! - we do a chapter per week, starting on Fridays. We will be starting Chapter 5 of FoTR tommorrow. Not so far along that it would be hard to catch up.

54 posted on 03/14/2002 9:18:56 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Excellent work, glad to see it up and running. Need to fletch some more arrows. I'll take a mug of tea at the table by the window. Need good light to bind the fletching
55 posted on 03/14/2002 9:22:27 AM PST by osagebowman
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To: HairOfTheDog
Even an adequate patriot ought to be able to see that evil cannot ever be used to conquer evil, only replace it.

I believe that at the Council of Elrond, Boromir just wasn't convinced the ring was evil. Isildur died before it could corrupt him, Boromir never actually saw what it did to Smeagol, Bilbo and Frodo had the ring for years and they looked all right. Only when it tried to corrupt him, did he believe.

56 posted on 03/14/2002 9:23:06 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog
Even an adequate patriot ought to be able to see that evil cannot ever be used to conquer evil, only replace it.

I believe that at the Council of Elrond, Boromir just wasn't convinced the ring was evil. Isildur died before it could corrupt him, Boromir never actually saw what it did to Smeagol, Bilbo and Frodo had the ring for years and they looked all right. Only when it tried to corrupt him, did he believe.

57 posted on 03/14/2002 9:23:09 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Snake65
Which is essential to the story and to Boromir's character. Boromir was flawed. He loved Gondor and thought he knew best what to do. Of course, with Denethor as a father, we know how he gets that way.

If Faramir had gone, then from a writer's point of view, Tolkien would have to find some other catalyst to get Frodo to leave.

Of course, I'm oversimplifying the plot. Tolkien (as genius as he was) could have given Frodo a million different reasons to leave...

But, through the character of Boromir so much is linked. Gondor, Aragorn, the White City, Boromir's frustration of being the one always having to defend Middle Earth (with only Rohan to help). Again, that narrow mindedness on Boromir's part that only Gondor defended Middle Earth just wasn't true. But to Boromir it was. That's why he wanted the ring. Gondor was failing, was falling... and there wasn't enough men left to defend it. So, he needed something stronger than the enemy to defeat the enemy. The ring was perfect. It was his only hope.

58 posted on 03/14/2002 9:24:21 AM PST by carton253
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To: Overtaxed
Begone Gremlins!
59 posted on 03/14/2002 9:24:43 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: osagebowman
Welcome! - Perhaps as you sit, you can tell us a little about fletching arrows!
60 posted on 03/14/2002 9:26:17 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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