Mark Steyn: Whatever You Do, Don't Call It a Hate Crime (Regarding the 7/4 LAX Gunman)

The National Post (UK) and two American papers ^ | 7/9/2002 | Mark Steyn (and two other columnists)

[jdege]

The US government was never designed to be a utopian ideal, it was designed to be a mangled mess, with so many different factions fighting on so many fronts that none of them would ever accomplish anything, so the rest of us could get on with our lives without interference.

[ArneFufkin]

That's the great lie of the "Islam is Peace" propaganda.

Yeah, you have peace if you bow to Islam!!! Peace ain't freedom, and peace might be interrupted by your Islamic court execution at any random time. But, if you are a native Muslim ... Muhammed says Allah does not NECESSARILY sentence you to death.

If you choose to stay connected to Jesus Christ or the Torah? Call the ACLU, there goes your head infidel!

That is what is so corrupt about guys like Zogby. I don't CARE what the Qur'an says about female freedom or racial enlightenment. That was the bait and switch by a pretty clever huckster/conquerer named Muhammed. You have to draw bees to the honey, but you need to keep them hurtling from the hive in stinging, killing frenzy too. So ... Islam is sweet for Muslims and women's freedom, so says Muhammed. But ... Islam is darkly vengeful against nonbelievers who insult Allah's will. Y'know, after all these years ... the women don't have rights and Muslim's are really vengeful. And women just seem to keep insulting Allah's will ... that ever acne scarred Arab teenager has carte blanche to sexually assault a woman, whereafter she is shamefully stained, and must be executed.

I don't like Islam. I don't like Muhammed. I don't like anyone who says ... "You must think as me or I will kill you". Allah says that through the prophet/soldier/rapist/mass murderer Muhammed. Fuck you Muhammed, and same to you Allah. And it is time for all these guys like A_turk who are lecturing us on our ignorance to step up and grab the big dildo. Are you Americans ... or are you Muslims?

Islam is in DIRECT contravertion to our American Constitution. Islam commands it's followers to view our difference, our disbelief in Allah and Muhammed's orders, and therefore kill us. Kill non-Muslims. Islam is an enemy of the tenets of America. Would we permit a KKK order that commanded the death of all who did not worship a particular angel or passage from the Old Testament. F**k no, that Garcia druid would be storming thier townhouse with guns drawn and CNN at their side. It is no coincidence that the systematic portrayal of Islam as a peaceful force accompanied the spread of Communist operatives into academia and media after 1945. They are hand in hand my friend.

That's the issue Savage Beast. Muslims live very contently and peacefully among us until they murder our innocent neighbors. At your feet, or at your throat ... that about sizes it up IMO.

[ArneFufkin]

This is a system designed by elitists who did not like or trust ANYONE, and desired protection from the ill intent of their colleagues at the Convention. That's primal ... and the way they solved it was an epipheny. Ying ... meet Yang. He's got some false ID and a welfare check for you! ;^)

I can confidently say that NOBODY on FR could walk up to Alexander Hamilton if he was transported into an East Village bistro tonight, say "Hi", and judging his fellowship and warmth not think "I'd like to cold-cock that asshole". Kinda like meeting Mojo or Clodia Pulcher. These were not humble and friendly people. If Freepers were on the Philly secret conspiracy scene at that time ... we'd break up the vile scheme. Guaranteed! Wisely as usual! LOL If so, my descendents would be moderately successful racoon skin brokers right now. It's 2002, someone invent the outhouse already!!!!

This was not a boys club of regular Joe overachievers. They wouldn't have the time of day for we riff raffers. Asshole lawyers, most learned their stuff in France. Double Trouble! Wohhhhh ....

God blessed them all! As HE did us!

[a_Turk]

Are you Americans ... or are you Muslims?

Are you family ... or are you automobiles?

Are you walking ... or are you alive?

Are you ignorant ... or are you just stupid?

What good is all this? You (I hope) and I are peaceloving people, whatever our religion. What benefit will it bring to anyone to try to demean each other? Is that not what Usame would like us to do? Must we allow this idiot Usame to curse us with mutual hatred?

Bums me out everytime I read this nonsence.

And here's my opinion on terrorism vs hate crimes: They're one in the same.

Adios.

[ArneFufkin]

I'm Irish Catholic in ethinc and religious backgroun.d But I identify myself as an American.

If the IRA was in the act of blowing up my neigbors and countrymates, I'd kill them without a pause. Even though I'm Irish, I'm Catholic, and my ancestors were brutalized and killed by the Cromwell English mobsters.

So what? I'm an American. I would step up and fight until death ANY Irish Catholc who wished my country harm. Now. Unequivocally. I would stand at the side of any American Protestant Brit native who is under seige. I'm an American. It's not a hesitation for me.

What's your story?

[ArneFufkin]

See, I don't belive most American Muslims consider themselves Americans first.

My bigotry.

[ArneFufkin]

My wisdom and ongoing care. I'm sick of lectures from "peaceful" and "enlightened" Muslims.

If Turkey is a targeted enemy of Al Qai'da and other Islamist groups ... why isn't your nation conducting it's own search and destroy operation against your enemies?

Turkey processed a lot of morphine base coming from your dire enemy Taliban from 1995-1999. TALIBAN???? Well, the base went for a good cause. Heroin products, I do believe. Right through Iran, and now through Georgia.

When you Turks go out on your own search and destroy mission against these forces that wish you death and destruction, I'll start believing your patter. All I see is commercial lovey dovey in the 90s with Iran and the Taliban monsters. Take your lectures elsewhere pal.

[a_Turk]

I am a Turkish and German Muslim. I hold both passports. I entered the US on a student visa when I was 17. This was my parents decision (German mom musical gymnastics professor, Turkish dad engineer), to spare me the terror in Turkey. Universities were especially affected.

Anyway, I was going to school, until a few years later I fell in love. We got married. She is a Catholic. She wanted to get married in a church, which did not bother me. We have two children together.

I never applied for citizenship, I felt that would be solid proof that I did not marry for that purpose. Now she's left me for another man, and I am Mr. mom. She's on the back seat of some guys Harley, living it up.

I could just take my kids and leave, but that would not be fair to them. They need to see her has often as possible.

As far as my loyalties, they lie with the righteous. And with my children... America stands for the same ideals that I do, and she's been kind to me. Had I been in one of those planes, the terrorists would have had to cut me up. Had I been standing next to the guy at LAX (fitting acronym), I would have done what I could to neutralize him. What more can I tell you?

When I was a kid growing up, terror was a tool used by the nationalists (USA money) and the communists (USSR money). The cold war was being fought even in my street. My parents still have pieces of shrapnel. No little bitty pieces, either: parts of inch thick bomb casing and stuff.. That was over 20 years ago. I've seen my share of this, which is so new to you. You're right to be angry, but focus it. Don't swing around blindly.

[a_Turk]

You are impatient and you run your mouth. Both bad habits you should break.

[ArneFufkin]

Turk, here's the cutting edge

The first tenet of your religion is "There is only one God, and Muhammed is his prophet."

NO SALE. I don't buy it Turk. A central dogma of Islam is that the worship of Jesus Christ as the Son of God is the most evil and sacriligious of all insults to Allah. Turk ... I believe Jesus Christ IS the Son of God, and he came to Earth and died for my human sin.

So, by ISLAM tenets ... what is my fate? What is your calling Turk? What is your command? What does YOUR current teacher, interpreting the Arabic Qur'an his convenient way .... say today? What will a different Mullah say next year? If your new spiritual leader interprets the Qur'an's commands to conquer, convert or kill the "unbelievers" as the holy law it most OBVIOUSLY IS... what WILL YOU DO?

Islam is a poison because it is malleable by every scoundrel and butcher who desires power and murder. Muhammed designed it to inspire forceful conquest. He had many "revelations" from Gabriel the night after his military forces were maximized. Islam is a tool of death, oppression, enslavement and murder. Like Nazism. Like Communism.

That's my take con man.

[ArneFufkin]

As far as my loyalties, they lie with the righteous. And with my children...

As expected. Eff you pal!!!! No Muslim is trustworthy.

[a_Turk]

There is only one God, and Muhammed is his prophet.

You've already a convert to Monotheism, so to you the words might have said "and Muhammed is one of His prophets."

So, by ISLAM tenets ... what is my fate?

The Messiah is an important figure in our religion, even more important than the prophet Muhammed. The nonbelievers you mention were the idol worshippers who persecuted Muhammed for preaching about Moses and Jesus, and the one God we both believe in.

You musn't be so insulting toward me, since I haven't done anything to you, and never would unless you were to force me to defend myself or another who did not deserve your hypothetical assault.

[a_Turk]

Eff you pal!!!!

How old are you? Isn't it past your bed time? Quick! Before mommy notices that you didn't brush your teeth!

[ArneFufkin]

Your wife better be sleeping with one eye open. Your God commands you to kill her.

[a_Turk]

Your God commands you to kill her.

Public stonings are ancient custom.

It's not my job to judge her.

Mine is the God of Abraham. My religion provides for divorce.

[ArneFufkin]

You and I have different faith. Your prophet is different that mine. Your God has differwnt characteristics and identity than mine. Bless us both. You are a man taking care of your wife and children. I respect and admire that beyond words.

There's an ugly truth here however: My faith in Jesus Christ as Savior allows tolerance of your religious beliefs. My nation, my Constitution, mandates tolerance of your religious beliefs. My belief in Christ calls me to feel nothing but good will for you and your family.

The fundamental dogma of YOUR religion ... calls you to convert, kill and destroy the unbelievers. Me. My family. My neighgbors. My Freeper pals. My countrymates. My World.

You may deceive yourself in your virtuous journey to build a peaceful and enlightened prospretity for you family. Damn right you should!! That's what honorable men do for their children. America values that. America values you. But your religion is an isidious enemy of everything America stands for. Your religion calls for you to kill me.

You say you will do what is "righteous" .... I would never trust you watching my back. I couldn't insult a man more. Sorry.

[a_Turk]

Your religion calls for you to kill me.

You're wrong it does not.

[jdege]

The fundamental dogma of YOUR religion ... calls you to convert, kill and destroy the unbelievers. Me. My family. My neighgbors. My Freeper pals. My countrymates. My World.

You're going to have to learn, some day, the difference between Islam and Wahhabi extremism.

Christianity has its extremist groups, and has had times when the extremists controlled.

When at Beziers, the Christian Army asked the Papal Legate, Arnald-Amalric, how to distinguish the heretical Cathars from their more numerous Catholic neighbors, his reply was "kill them all - God will recognize his own".

Islam is not our enemy - an extremist islamic philosophy is, and those who hold to it. Just as Germany was not our enemy, but Nazism and its followers, and Russia was not, but the Communist doctrine and the nomenklatura.

[ArneFufkin]

I think you're full of shit, and I'm not open to your lectures. Islam is in direct opposition to our Constitution and heritage.

Now what?

[jdege]

Now what?

You'll learn better, in time, or you'll remain ignorant.

In either case, it's your problem, not mine.