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Elizabeth Smart thread, September 5, 2002-?

Posted on 09/04/2002 8:39:12 PM PDT by IamHD

ES missing since 6-5-2002 and will have been missing for 3 months in a few hours, so I thought that this would be an approriate time to start a new thread.


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To: Sherlock
Don't you think it's probably the Spencer Dixon from La Verkin (just outside of St. George)? Or did you conveniently overlook him since he doesn't fit in with your dream of dumping this on the Mormon Church.

No, because it specifically said Spencer Dixon from Salt Lake City.

501 posted on 09/06/2002 11:53:09 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: brigette
Oh, no. Seriously, someone is indeed wondering what this was leading to, and now you're not going to say?

Okay, is it about the info posted by Scaredkat, about the Brighton mine, cabin, etc.?

Is it anything to do with Richard Dean Miller?

I know it can't be the pig roast guy...right? He was about 150 miles away from SLC, and isn't Brighton only about 20-30 miles from the metro area?

Or is this something to do with property owned by the Smarts or some relative, in Brighton?
502 posted on 09/06/2002 11:56:46 PM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: Sherlock
2001 Results



Now showing page 1
BIB # Last Name First Name City State Gender Age Time Net Time Rank Overall Rank by Division Rank by Gender
160 DIXON SCOTT E SPANISH FORK UT M 28 3:28:30 3:28:24 679 55 588
DIXON DAVE SIOUX CITY IA
DIXON DAVE SIOUX CITY IA
DIXON JENNIE SANDY UT
DIXON SPENCER SALT LAKE CITY UT
DIXON SCOTT E SPANISH FORK UT



503 posted on 09/07/2002 12:01:24 AM PDT by varina davis
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To: varina davis
Here's the link:

http://www.stgeorgemarathon.com/registration/lottery/results.php?start=s --Shows people registered for the 2002 event, as well as results for 2001.

Of course, maybe there are dozens of men by this name in SLC.

504 posted on 09/07/2002 12:06:58 AM PDT by varina davis
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To: Devil_Anse
It's curious.... Your writing style and phrasing is almost exactly like jengaio's.
505 posted on 09/07/2002 12:08:22 AM PDT by varina davis
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To: Devil_Anse
You don't mean you swallowed that blatant frame-up of Ricci, in which the police hurriedly changed it to a tan golf cap just because they found a tan golf cap in Ricci's father-in-law's home?

I'm sorry but you are wrong here.

I've posted on this before but there is absolutely no logic in this assumption of yours. Let's assume that the police are going to frame poor Richard. The description that was given the first day was that it was a white baseball style hat. If you're framing the guy and you can't find a white ball cap in his house then you would just plant one. Nice and simple. Why go search the house next door in a desperate attempt to find any old hat and then go and change the story. There is no logic in the hat as a frame up scenario.

Let's look at the official version of events. The police have stated that the original interview with MK was conducted by someone untrained in child psychology. The main goal in my estimation was to get a description of the perpetrator out in the hopes that someone had seen a man in a white hat with a blonde haired, blue eyed, teenage girl. They couldn't wait for the psychologist because of the need to get a description out right away.

LE has stated that it was in the second interview that they discovered the additional detail from MK. This was obtained because the interviewer knew how to properly question a 9 year old child. We don't know when this interview occurred yet but I would guess it was probably the next day.

The lead investigators must have decided not to release the new details because announcing that could hurt the case. By now Elizabeth would have been secured away or dead. Correcting the erroneous initial report would have told the abductor that he needed to get rid of this potential piece of incriminating evidence. So when they did go into Angela's parent's home and they spotted the hat they keyed on it, because it matched the description given by MK to the trained psychologist who interviewed her the second time.

To believe that they would change MK's story to match some hat that they came across in a trailer next door is preposterous.

506 posted on 09/07/2002 12:18:44 AM PDT by sandude
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To: Yellowcat
Yellowcat how rude can you get your sure stuck on the stupid camp thing arent you and your asking me about school? I went to college ask one of your poster friends to tell you what college means! Im trying to find Elizabeth what the heck are you doing??
507 posted on 09/07/2002 12:32:45 AM PDT by scaredkat
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To: varina davis
http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=1320+Wasatch+Dr&city=Salt+Lake+City&state=UT&csz=Salt+Lake+City,+UT+84108-2442&slt=40.741362&sln=-111.821380&name=&zip=84108-2442&country=us&&BFKey=&BFCat=&BFClient=&mag=8&desc=&cs=9&newmag=7&poititle=&poi=&ds=n

This is the church. Could this be the Smart's church, it's pretty close to Federal Heights and the article says three congregations meet there.

However, although this guy is alleged to be a pervert, he doesn't match the sketch or the description of the behavior described by Fred Trujillo or Charlie Miller.
508 posted on 09/07/2002 12:41:42 AM PDT by Sherlock
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To: jengaio
http://www.psitech.net/news/tsl_083002.htm

your good, thanks that was really cool. Im checking into this because its now a week later. I have a good idea where this is but need more info to be sure. Was really intrigued by the comment of winter games---sound familiar? Olympics. just so you know brighton is under summit county jurisdiction or so thats what slcpd stated to me when researching. Park city is also summit county jurisdiction.
509 posted on 09/07/2002 12:42:48 AM PDT by scaredkat
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To: sandude
Then how do you explain the sketch of the guy with the white baseball hat and the fact the milkman said the guy he saw wore a white baseball hat? And how did the hat get from being white to tan. I could see getting the style off but why the color? This is what I think happened:

Ricci was first interviewed on Jun 6 then again on Jun 11. He was taken into custody on Jun 14, about the time the story was changed from a white baseball hat to a tan driving hat. I figure in their investigation of Ricci police asked neighbors, fellow employees, etc. if he wore a hat and they were told Ricci wore a tan racing hat. When they felt sure Ricci was involved, probably from Moul's testimony, I think they changed the description of the hat to a hat Ricci was known to wear to make the kidnapper relax and think they weren't onto him. However there have been so many sightings of this guy in his white baseball hat (i.e. the sketch released by the Smarts last week) I'm convinced the kidnapper indeed wore a white baseball hat.

510 posted on 09/07/2002 12:48:40 AM PDT by Sherlock
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To: Sherlock
This is the church. Could this be the Smart's church, it's pretty close to Federal Heights and the article says three congregations meet there.

No. The Smart's meeting house is very close to Shriners Hospital. You can easily see it in Brigettes aerial photos of the Federal Heights area. It is a rather large white structure just south of the hospital. If I remember right the Governor’s mansion lies between Shriners and the meeting house.

511 posted on 09/07/2002 12:49:15 AM PDT by sandude
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To: Sherlock
Then how do you explain the sketch of the guy with the white baseball hat and the fact the milkman said the guy he saw wore a white baseball hat? And how did the hat get from being white to tan. I could see getting the style off but why the color?

I think that the perp was in the habit of wearing a white ball cap. On the night of the abduction he grabbed something different in case he was spotted. Something that he normally didn't wear. Something that his father might wear.

I think they changed the description of the hat to a hat Ricci was known to wear to make the kidnapper relax and think they weren't onto him.

No, I think the abductor wore the tan golf hat that hung above Angela's fathers sink.

512 posted on 09/07/2002 12:57:38 AM PDT by sandude
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Smart scene unsealed for hours

Several people entered home after kidnapping © Copyright 2002 Deseret News

By Derek Jensen Deseret News staff writer

Police waited nearly three hours after Elizabeth Smart was reported missing to seal off her parents' Federal Heights house as a crime scene.

That "oversight," as Salt Lake Police Chief Rick Dinse termed it, means investigators likely will never know what evidence may have been lost from the Smart residence because police allowed several neighbors and family members inside the house during that critical time.

Elizabeth's father, Edward Smart, called police at 4:01 a.m. June 5, about two hours after his daughter was taken at gunpoint from her bedroom. Police arrived at the residence 12 minutes later but did not begin sealing off the house entirely until 6:54 a.m.

"It was a pretty big issue," said Lt. Cory Lyman, who's part of a team of detectives overseeing the Smart investigation. "We were very upset."

No officers were disciplined for failing to cordon off the scene more quickly, but Dinse said the mistake has prompted more training within his department.

"The people who were responsible for controlling that have been talked to," Dinse said. "In this case, the crime scene was not well-controlled, and that's something we have to live with in the investigation. It's a matter of training and educating our officers who slipped."

Failure to secure a crime scene properly can cause evidentiary problems if a case is taken to court, Deputy District Attorney Kent Morgan said.

"Securing the crime scene eliminates the possibility that somebody came there after the incident and before the evidence was collected," Morgan said. "When you don't secure the crime scene until later, it makes it more difficult to find which evidence found in the crime scene is relevant."

So far, investigators have not uncovered enough evidence to charge anyone with Elizabeth's kidnapping. While admitting their mistake, police also downplayed the impact it could have on this case, which has remained unsolved for three months.

"If there was anything that was damaged or tainted by the virtue of people being in and around the scene, that can only be guessed," Dinse said. "We didn't find anything, at this point, that we believe is contaminated. On the other hand, we don't know what was there."

Lyman said the patrol officers who first responded to the Smart house acted appropriately by making their first priority that of finding Elizabeth instead of taking time to cordon off the entire house. Sealing off the entire area around the Smart's million-dollar home would have taken at least four or five officers, meaning less manpower for trying to find Elizabeth as soon as possible.

"That's absolutely what they should be concerned with," Lyman said. "We always put life ahead of an investigation."

Police say it's virtually impossible to seal off every crime scene immediately. Still, Lyman said, "I can give you justifications for why it didn't happen the first 15 to 20 minutes, but not why it didn't happen" until almost three hours later.

More than anything, waiting so long to cordon off the house simply made more work for investigators, who had to determine each individual who entered the house following Elizabeth's reported abduction, then determine what, if any, evidence those people may have brought in with them.

Lyman estimated that number to be more than a dozen people. Ed Smart said he recalled 40 to 50 different people inside his house that morning, most of them family and members of his LDS ward whom he called for help after first contacting police.

"As soon as I found out that my daughter was gone, I wanted all the help I could get to find her," Ed Smart said. "I wasn't thinking about contaminating the scene. . . . Looking back on it, I would think that they (police) would have said something to me because there were a lot of people there."

Although previous reports have indicated that neighbors arrived at the Smart house before police, recent interviews with neighbors seem to indicate otherwise.

"When I came up, there was already a policeman inside the house," said Smart neighbor Suann Adams, whose family Ed Smart said was the first he called after phoning police at 4:01 a.m. Adams said she was the first neighbor to arrive at the Smart house.

Some neighbors who spoke with the Deseret News also said they entered the bedroom Elizabeth was abducted from as her then 9-year-old sister Mary Katherine feigned sleep. Those neighbors said they entered the room only to comfort Elizabeth's mother Lois, who was in that part of the house.

Authorities admit that after allowing so many people into the house, it became much more difficult to secure it as a crime scene.

"In this case I'm not criticizing them," Morgan said. "We had neighbors running around trying to find Elizabeth. It was the ward function of the year where everyone was trying to help. By the time the police got there, they had to undo the chaos before they could begin reasonable forensic procedures." --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

513 posted on 09/07/2002 1:02:43 AM PDT by Sherlock
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To: sandude
I'd like to see Angela's brother too. See ya later.
514 posted on 09/07/2002 1:04:53 AM PDT by Sherlock
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To: varina davis
Varina--Check this out, I can't get the picture of this guy to this board..and lives nearby to Elizabeth Smart. 5-10 miles or less. Fits description of abductor??p> Here is the address of this guy Dixon, Spencer & Susan
1964 S 2500 East
SALT LAKE CITY, UT 84108
Maps & Directions | Did you go to school with Spencer & Susan Dixon?

Ex-bishop accused of sex abuse of teen girl

By Brady Snyder
Deseret News staff writer
A former bishop in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has been charged with a sex crime involving a 13-year-old girl who attended his ward.

Spencer Dixon
Spencer Dixon, 38, was charged Thursday in 3rd District Court with aggravated sexual abuse of a child, a first-degree felony. He was arrested and booked into the Salt Lake County Jail on a $100,000 warrant Thursday morning without incident, said Salt Lake City police Sgt. Fred Louis.

Dixon posted bail and was released later in the day. Calls to his house seeking comment were not immediately returned today.

A first-degree felony is punishable by five years to life in prison.

The crime of which Dixon is accused would normally be a second-degree felony, but because Dixon was the religious leader of the alleged victim, the crime was elevated to a first-degree felony, Salt Lake County prosecutor Kent Morgan said.

"He's the bishop over the flock, and if you fleece your own flock, you're in trouble," Morgan said.

Dixon was bishop when the incident occurred Aug. 24. Court documents state that a 13-year-old girl was watching a group of younger children at an LDS ward house near 1300 South and 2400 East, when Dixon entered the room and asked her to come with him to retrieve some videos from the building's library.

Inside the library Dixon sexually abused the girl, court documents state.

The victim "was finally able to get away" and told her parents about the incident the next day, court documents state.

Other than the girl's testimony, Louis said there is no evidence linking Dixon to the crime. Still, Morgan said the case is strong because the girl reported the crime directly after it occurred.

"She made a prompt complaint," he said.

Added Louis: "It was reported quickly. There was no hesitation on the victim's part."

The LDS Church said Thursday that Dixon is maintaining his innocence.

"We understand that he denies the allegation," church spokesman Dale Bills said in a written statement.

Still, Dixon has been relieved of his duties pending further investigation, Bills said. If the allegations prove true, Dixon is subject to discipline, including excommunication, Bills said.

"We are saddened by any allegation that a child has been harmed by improper, abusive conduct," Bills said. "Children are one of the greatest gifts of God and should be lovingly nurtured and protected."

In the coming days or weeks, detectives will interview ward members to discover if there are other victims who had previously been fearful to come forward, Louis said.

"That's a real concern for us," he said.
E-MAIL: bsnyder@desnews.com

This is the adress of the church were Spencer Dixon (sexoffender) bishop of the LDS was a leader, and where the abuse of the 13 year old girl took place aug 24, 2002:

Same address as the Smart's church?
church at 1320 S. Wasatch Drive (2520 East) (salt lake city)

515 posted on 09/07/2002 1:07:40 AM PDT by Bella
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To: Sherlock
Great post Holmes. It clears up some of the mystery. I still think that the Smarts should have been more savvy but I do understand their ignorance of the world in this regard. If the police would have just told them to not let anyone into the house then the whole thing would have been secured. The last sentence in the article is a quote from Deputy District Attorney Morgan which contradicts the body of the article. I wish the reporter would have clarified his position. It sounds like he interviewed the DA first, then the police, neighbors, and the Smarts. He should have done a follow up with the DA to try to remove the confusion. I suspect the DA was unaware of exactly what happened that night. He probably was getting his information about the events from the papers just like us.
516 posted on 09/07/2002 1:21:00 AM PDT by sandude
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To: Palladin
Wow Wow maybe there is something here and then again maybe not, but he sure is interesting, brown hair could have hairy arms. How tall is he? I agree with the other poster looks like bret edmonds may the milk man was confussed.

Spencer Dixon
517 posted on 09/07/2002 1:24:42 AM PDT by scaredkat
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To: Bella
Same address as the Smart's church?

No. The press conferences have been held at the Federal Heights meeting house where the smarts worship. It is just south of the Shriners Hospital. You can see it in Brigette's aerial photo. It is a large white structure.

518 posted on 09/07/2002 1:27:02 AM PDT by sandude
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To: Sherlock
This story where was it? Would like to read it. Dont radio me? is he with the police?
519 posted on 09/07/2002 1:36:38 AM PDT by scaredkat
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To: Utah Girl
If you are on 72nd south called fort union and you drive east you will go right up big cottonwood canyon.
520 posted on 09/07/2002 1:54:38 AM PDT by scaredkat
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