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VANITY: An Open Letter to Jim Robinson About VDare
NA ^ | 11-21-2002 | myself

Posted on 11/21/2002 1:06:48 AM PST by Clinton Is Scum

Jim -

My wife and I are longstanding members of Free Republic (since 1998). We were involved in the Pugget Sound chapter for awhile, and have supported the site financially.

I have heard from numerous sources that articles from Vdare may not be posted to Free Republic. Is this true? If so, can you please take a few minuts to explain your rationale for this policy?

I think Vdare is a terrific site. The editor of the site, Peter Brimelow, is a brilliant thinker and respected journalist. The site is concerned with "national identity" questions: immigration, affirmative action, bilingual education, multiculturalism. Yes, these are controversial issues, but the positions advocated by Brimelow and his colleagues are well within the range of opinions posted by FReepers every day. Anyhow, if we can't discuss controversial issues at Free Republic, where can we discuss them?

I hope it is OK to post this in the public forum. If you would prefer to discuss privately, please send me a FReepmail.

Regards,
Clinton Is Scum


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1 posted on 11/21/2002 1:06:48 AM PST by Clinton Is Scum
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To: Jim Robinson; John Robinson
Look forward to your reply.
2 posted on 11/21/2002 1:07:49 AM PST by Clinton Is Scum
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To: Clinton Is Scum
More power to you. If you like it read it. I don't like it and I don't want it on FR.
3 posted on 11/21/2002 1:10:51 AM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
Okay, that's settled...who's got pie?
4 posted on 11/21/2002 1:15:55 AM PST by Deb
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To: Deb
I've got pie, but who moved my cheese?
5 posted on 11/21/2002 2:16:21 AM PST by SubMareener
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To: norton; Spiff; Tancred; knighthawk; Under the Radar; cardinal4; ValerieUSA; Republicus2001; ...
There is an ominous cloud hanging over the First Amendment at the "Free" Republic. We can no longer discuss controversial issues like immigration and affirmative action without worrying about being banned from the site. JimBob will receive no more contributions from this FReeper.
6 posted on 11/21/2002 3:12:23 AM PST by Clinton Is Scum
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To: Jim Robinson
Part of your defense in the lawsuit brought against Free Republic by the Washington Post and the Los Angeles Times:

"The website operated by the defendants, www.freerepublic.com, permits anyone who wishes to post news articles or other items and to post commentary about the article as well. Thousands of persons participate every day. No fee of any kind is charged. The site is a not for profit enterprise that summons us to enjoy the very essence of free speech principles. The political views expressed by the majority of participants are congruent with the goal of rooting out corruption in government, though no censorship is made and all views are permitted."

Source: http://www.techlawjournal.com/courts/freerep/19991018mem.htm

The reality is quite different, isn't it, Jim?

7 posted on 11/21/2002 3:57:20 AM PST by Clinton Is Scum
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To: Clinton Is Scum
Get your *ss off Free Republic. I know that your fascist philosophy dictates that socialism is not only acceptable but desireable in certain situations, but in OUR world there is still this quaint notion of "private property."

Since you people aren't in power yet, Messrs. Robinson are still allowed to decide what is and what is not proper on THEIR SITE. When you ascend to power, you may dictate who is free and who is not for the entire country.

Until then, VDARE is free to post what it wants--on IT'S SITE. And FR is free to decide that racism is not a viable philosophy on IT'S SITE.

Hope this answers your foolish charges.

8 posted on 11/21/2002 4:03:34 AM PST by Illbay
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To: Illbay
Socialist? What are you talking about? I have been a FReeper for 4 years. I sent Jim $100 last spring. I gathered signatures for the California Civil Rights Initiative (Prop. 209) in 1995-96 and the Washington State Civil Rights Initiative (I-200) in 1997-98.

Like the editors at VDare, I oppose racial preferences; I oppose illegal imigration; and I oppose bilingual education. I realize that these positions put me at odds with many leaders in the Republican Party. Despite my differences with the GOP, I swallowed hard and voted straight party-line Republican here in Maryland three week ago.

You are right about one thing: Robinson has the right to censor Free Republic as he wishes. I just wish this site could be run more like a free republic and less like Castro's Cuba.
9 posted on 11/21/2002 4:17:27 AM PST by Clinton Is Scum
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To: Illbay
"And FR is free to decide that racism is not a viable philosophy on IT'S SITE."

So you think Vdare is racist? Prove it. Of the hundreds of columns that have been published there, show me one that advocates racism. Show me one sentence that can be constued as supporting a racist philosophy. You won't be able to, because your accusation is completely without merit.
10 posted on 11/21/2002 4:25:24 AM PST by Clinton Is Scum
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To: Clinton Is Scum
Thanks for the ping CIS. I have not been to the VDARE site, and I don't have time this morning to check it out. Will check in later this afternoon to offer up any thoughts regarding their appropriateness on FR.

FGS

11 posted on 11/21/2002 6:13:15 AM PST by ForGod'sSake
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To: Jim Robinson
More power to you. If you like it read it. I don't like it and I don't want it on FR.

Does this explanation also cover your reasons for banning content and articles from American Patrol?

So, you "don't like" VDare and American Patrol and won't allow their content. But you do allow Salon.com, Democrats Underground, Washington Post, NPR, etc, etc (pure anti-American, socialist drivel). So can we assume that you "like" them more?

I know this is your sandbox, but such arbitrary and hubris-driven policies only serve to detract from FreeRepublic and sow mistrust of its owner. If you have further reasons for banning VDare and AP content, you certainly have not made your case despite repeated requests from several users. After 4 weeks of debate about such websites as VDare and American Patrol, all we have from you so far is that you "don't like it".

12 posted on 11/21/2002 6:22:51 AM PST by Spiff
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To: Clinton Is Scum
Fascists are typically socialists. It's an outgrowth of their desire to control thought.

The Robinsons have no obligation to allow anything at all on their site. There is a very good reason for that, of course, because FR has many, many enemies.

If you want to peruse VDARE and American Patrol and racist sites such as that, you have all the freedom in the world to do so. But you do NOT have the right to bring their stuff over here and dump it like a load of garbage.

Keep it over there. I'm sure you can handle more than one website.

13 posted on 11/21/2002 6:34:38 AM PST by Illbay
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To: Clinton Is Scum
I don't have to "prove" anything. That's my opinion.

And if you'll notice, I am not apparently the only one that shares it. Note that it is not allowed to cross-post garbage from there to here.

Capiche?

14 posted on 11/21/2002 6:35:34 AM PST by Illbay
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To: Spiff
No one is going to mistake the posting of some moderate-left sites as advocacy for the positions that those sites espouse.

If you post racist drivel from American Patrol and VDARE on FR, it WILL be construed as advocacy for those same positions.

FWIW, there are leftist sites like AntiWar.com that are ALSO not allowed on FR.

15 posted on 11/21/2002 6:37:34 AM PST by Illbay
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To: Spiff
...you certainly have not made your case...

Who says that they have to "make their case"? Why are you so arrogant as to believe that you are owed an "explanation" by private owners of a private website as to why YOUR opinions are not shared?

You have a mighty high opinion of yourself--which is evidenced by your tendency to post pointless vanity posts on this subject. Most pointless vanity authors think theirs is the most important opinion on FR.

16 posted on 11/21/2002 6:40:39 AM PST by Illbay
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To: Spiff
I was not aware that American Patrol (another excellent site) is also banned here. What other sites/columnists are subject to JimBob's blackout? Is Ann Coulter still allowed? What about George Will?
17 posted on 11/21/2002 7:18:12 AM PST by Clinton Is Scum
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To: Illbay
just cruisin my favorite site and came across this, and to the outside observer this thread needs to be kicked to the back room quick.........jeest , did you get up on the wrong side of the bed ?
18 posted on 11/21/2002 7:20:11 AM PST by gdc61
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To: Clinton Is Scum
Ann Coulter is anti-illegal immigration. But she isn't banned. Ditto for George Will.

Ergo, there must be another reason that content from websites like American Patrol and VDARE aren't allowed.

Wonder if you can guess what it is?

19 posted on 11/21/2002 7:37:55 AM PST by Illbay
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To: Illbay
You have a mighty high opinion of yourself--which is evidenced by your tendency to post pointless vanity posts on this subject. Most pointless vanity authors think theirs is the most important opinion on FR.

Same to you, but more of it - IllBoy.

20 posted on 11/21/2002 7:41:47 AM PST by Spiff
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To: Illbay
i've never been to any of the sites mentioned, the basic premise listed for them("national identity") are they anti "illegal immigration, affirmative action, bilingual education, multiculturalism" is this correct ? it seems to be in line with FR and MY interests.
21 posted on 11/21/2002 7:45:36 AM PST by gdc61
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To: Illbay
If you post racist drivel from American Patrol and VDARE on FR, it WILL be construed as advocacy for those same positions.

You and your cohorts have yet to produce any such "racist drivel" from American Patrol or VDare nor anything nearly equating to a rally for "machine-gunning the spicks[sic]" of which you accused American Patrol.

Yet your slander continues unabated. Talk about someone who has an over-inflated view of his own opinion who litters threads with dozens of mindless vanity posts.

22 posted on 11/21/2002 7:53:24 AM PST by Spiff
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To: gdc61
These sites are well within the mainstream of FReeper opinion. I have been an avid reader of both sites for about six months and have found the editorial content to be of extremely high quality. Take a look; if you're concerned about illegal immigration, affirmative action and multiculturalism, you will agree wholeheartedly with 95 to 100 percent of what you read there.
23 posted on 11/21/2002 7:54:49 AM PST by Clinton Is Scum
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To: Illbay
Fascists are typically socialists. It's an outgrowth of their desire to control thought. The Robinsons have no obligation to allow anything at all on their site. There is a very good reason for that, of course, because FR has many, many enemies. If you want to peruse VDARE and American Patrol and racist sites such as that, you have all the freedom in the world to do so. But you do NOT have the right to bring their stuff over here and dump it like a load of garbage. Keep it over there. I'm sure you can handle more than one website.

Mindlessly calling someone a fascist....blah, blah, blah...defending enforced political correctness...blah, blah, blah...etc, etc, etc...talk of enforcing borders is hate speech...blah, blah, blah...ad hominem...play the race card...yadda, yadda, yadda...

I once had you pegged as a conservative. Your behavior, as I summarized above, clearly proves I was mistaken. Wouldn't your type be more comfortable at DUh or Salon?

24 posted on 11/21/2002 7:59:24 AM PST by Spiff
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To: Deb
I have dutch apple. With or without ice cream?
25 posted on 11/21/2002 8:03:29 AM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: Clinton Is Scum
There is an ominous cloud hanging over the First Amendment at the "Free" Republic.

Off to remedial civics class with you - the First Amendment doesn't apply to a private entity like FR.

26 posted on 11/21/2002 8:07:06 AM PST by mountaineer
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To: Jim Robinson
Another excerpt from Free Republic defense in the lawsuit brought by the Washington Post and the Los Angeles Times:

Robinson created Free Republic in 1996 out of shear frustration. He was dissatisfied with the current Presidential administration (the "Clinton Administration") and with the "mainstream" media coverage of its policies and activities. Robinson was frustrated with the inability on other internet sites and alternative forums to engage in a completely free and open discussion of news and politics -- especially by dissenters to the current Presidential Administration's policies and activities and dissenters to the "mainstream" media coverage of same. Before creating Free Republic, Robinson frequented other internet discussion sites and was frustrated by their censorship and restrictions on free expression of ideas.

27 posted on 11/21/2002 8:07:46 AM PST by Clinton Is Scum
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To: mountaineer
If the government ever tried to force Jim to repeal his ban on VDare postings, I would be the first to object. Like I said above, Jim has the right to censor whatever he wishes. But I always felt that the spririt of the First Amendment--i.e., a commitment to freedom of speech--was a core tenet here. That spirit is one of the things that prompted Jim to start the site in the first place. It is what drew me to Free Republic four years ago.

I fear that spirit is no longer here. Commitment to some kind of "party line" has apparently come to be valued more highly than open debate, as in Cuba, China, and North Korea.
28 posted on 11/21/2002 8:16:08 AM PST by Clinton Is Scum
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To: Spiff
That's right, ignore what I'm saying in favor of an attack.

I repeat: Your insistence that YOUR philosophy must be pushed to the head of the line, even if the owners of this site don't agree, is very reminiscent of the Nazi Germany policies that required a photograph of Der Fuehrer prominently displayed in every shop--subject to a visit by the Brown Shirts.

I repeat: This isn't your site. No one is forbidding you to go to AP or VDARE or StormFront or any of those places. Go there and wallow to your heart's content.

But you CONTINUALLY bring up this subject, time after time on these silly vanities. If I were the Robinsons, I would have suspended you long since because you keep badgering them on the subject despite being told what the policy is, and that you aren't owed an explanation.

The very fact that you continue to be able to yammer on in this mindless pursuit of your silly agenda is all the proof anyone needs that your accusations of "repression" are just bogus.

29 posted on 11/21/2002 8:21:47 AM PST by Illbay
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To: Clinton Is Scum
I fear that spirit is no longer here.

Then do what JimRob did: Go start your own website (or quit this one entirely and hang out all you like at VDARE).

30 posted on 11/21/2002 8:23:26 AM PST by Illbay
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To: Clinton Is Scum
But I always felt that the spririt of the First Amendment--i.e., a commitment to freedom of speech--was a core tenet here.

It is, always has been and always will be.

The problem with some folks around here tho, is that they forget that that freedom of speech works both ways. As the owner of this site, he has the freedom to allow or disallow the postings of his choice.

31 posted on 11/21/2002 8:24:53 AM PST by Neets
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To: Sabertooth; MissAmericanPie; georgiabelle; I_Love_My_Husband; Clinton Is Scum; norton; EBUCK; ...
ping
32 posted on 11/21/2002 8:26:49 AM PST by madfly
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To: Bella_Bru; Deb
I'll bring cheese.
33 posted on 11/21/2002 8:35:26 AM PST by SCalGal
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To: Tancredo Fan; Marine Inspector; Ajnin; Fish out of Water; agitator; Tancred; Spiff; backhoe; ...
ping
34 posted on 11/21/2002 8:38:55 AM PST by madfly
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To: Clinton Is Scum
I rail pretty hard about both "sensitive" topics you alluded to and I've never even been warned or had a post yanked.

Maybe it's the way you express yourself.
35 posted on 11/21/2002 8:43:20 AM PST by wardaddy
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To: Clinton Is Scum
There is an ominous cloud hanging over the First Amendment at the "Free" Republic. We can no longer discuss controversial issues like immigration and affirmative action without worrying about being banned from the site. JimBob will receive no more contributions from this FReeper.
As I posted on the other thread:
...There is no good reason to antagonize the host of this forum, IMHO.
In my experience, you can get MUCH better results by working WITH people in authority than you can by trying to fight against them, particularly if they are on OUR SIDE, as Jim is - for the most part. :o)
As you certainly must know, "censorship" and the First Amendment are issues that apply primarily to government-controlled forms of expression, and generally NOT to privately operated concerns like Free Republic.
Not sure exactly why Jim is against VDARE, but if he does not want their stuff posted here, we will need to work around that - for now - unless and until we can get him to change his mind about that.

I am a BIG proponent of PRAGMATISM. Let us accept whatever help Jim Robinson is currently prepared to provide in the promotion of Michelle's ideas, and remember that MANY folks who have to deal with the realities of the intellectual marketplace need to operate as Caesar's wife: above even the APPEARANCE of impropriety, from http://www.dl.ket.org/latinlit/mores/religion/bonadea.htm:

Bona Dea Scandal

Religion Index
     Each year the Vestal Virgins, together with a select group of patrician ladies, conducted a secret rite to the Bona Dea. Traditionally this ceremony was conducted in the home of the Pontifex Maximus.
In the year (62 BC) following the consulship of Cicero and the destruction of the Catalinarian conspiracy the office of Pontifex Maximus (a political not religious appointment) was held by none other than Julius Caesar. According to tradition, all males, even male animals, were excluded from the event. Caesar was of course absent for this particular evening when the ceremony, planned by his wife Pompeia, is said to have occurred.

At this point, the story becomes part fact and part fiction. Many have written of the scandal over the years and I have tried to give you what I view as common theory. Since Pompeia was herself not the most stable of women, Caesar's respected and noble mother, Aurelia,was in charge of the details. She noticed one woman, heavily cloaked, tall and with an affected tone in her voice. She prided herself in knowing every guest and could not place this individual. She asked a servant girl to keep an eye on the unknown guest who lost control of his affected voice and was discovered to be a man. He escaped from the house without definitive recognition.

Rumors flew. No one doubted but that it was Clodius. It was not unlike him to play wild pranks even with so sacred an event at this ceremony. One story reported that he and Pompeia were having an affair and she had smuggled him into her house. This was a difficult rumor to deter. An impiety had occurred and conservative Romans were very upset. Caesar divorced Pompeia with a quote of unknown origins "Caesar's wife must be above suspicion." There was no proof of Pompeia's involvement, just suspicion...
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36 posted on 11/21/2002 8:44:30 AM PST by RonDog
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To: Illbay; Clinton Is Scum
Illbay,

Are you claiming Vdare or American Patrol are in the same league as Stormfront?

I just briefly perused both and while there may well be some bad stuff(I did not look real hard), there was also some pretty mainstream stuff like Malkin and whatnot.

I think we Conservatives would do well to sheath the racist tag label a bit unless truly merited. The PC dems make hay enough with that tag.

As for this site, the founders can do I suppose about anything they'd like. It's theirs'.
37 posted on 11/21/2002 9:02:56 AM PST by wardaddy
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To: Clinton Is Scum; Jim Robinson
There is an ominous cloud hanging over the First Amendment at the "Free" Republic. We can no longer discuss controversial issues like immigration and affirmative action without worrying about being banned from the site.

I see no "cloud" hanging over the First Amendment here; No one is preventing you from setting up your own public soapbox to say what you want.

As "owner" of this little community that we call Free Republic, Jim has determined that there are a number of sites whose content is not welcome. He has said nothing of the subject matter.

I think he was polite, yet firm on the matter. That certainly does not indicate a bias as far as I can determine -- unless I've missed something somewhere.

38 posted on 11/21/2002 9:05:00 AM PST by mhking
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To: Illbay
I repeat: Your insistence that YOUR philosophy must be pushed to the head of the line, even if the owners of this site don't agree, is very reminiscent of the Nazi Germany policies that required a photograph of Der Fuehrer prominently displayed in every shop--subject to a visit by the Brown Shirts.

To prove you can't make a decent argument, you bring up Nazi Germany and Hitler. Truly classic and totally predictable.

Never mind the fact that I'm not asking Jim to push "my" philosophy to "the head of the line". But don't let that stop you from spouting more lies.

I repeat: This isn't your site. No one is forbidding you to go to AP or VDARE or StormFront or any of those places. Go there and wallow to your heart's content.

I have nothing to do with Stormfront, thank you very much. I'm not saying that anyone is forbidding me from visiting any site I want or that it is my site. I made a reasonable request for an explanation. Why is it that you have to interject yourself into such questions with your slander, personal attacks, nazi-references, race-baiting, and other crap!?

But you CONTINUALLY bring up this subject, time after time on these silly vanities. If I were the Robinsons, I would have suspended you long since because you keep badgering them on the subject despite being told what the policy is, and that you aren't owed an explanation.

I did not start this thread. I didn't start the earlier threads. I've not been told what, precisely, the "policy" is (if one exists) nor have I been told by anyone other than you that I'm not owed an explanation. Neither am I the only one requesting such an explanation.

The very fact that you continue to be able to yammer on in this mindless pursuit of your silly agenda is all the proof anyone needs that your accusations of "repression" are just bogus.

39 posted on 11/21/2002 9:12:12 AM PST by Spiff
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To: Clinton Is Scum; Jim Robinson
I've been around FR since well before JimRob instituted regsitration. I am as concerned about illegal immigration as anyone, but I fail to understand your complaint: it's Jim's site and the rules are up to him. Most of those whose work are posted on VDare are also published in the 'mainstream' press, and I would be willing to bet if those writers' mainstream stuff is posted here JimRob wouldn't object (assuming it's not LASlimes/WashCompost etc and then for legal reasons). JimRob, can you confirm this?
40 posted on 11/21/2002 9:40:49 AM PST by CatoRenasci
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To: wardaddy
I think we Conservatives would do well to sheath the racist tag label a bit unless truly merited. The PC dems make hay enough with that tag.

They do make hay with it, which is all the more reason for us to be sure we don't find ourselves allied with those who use legitimate issues like illegal immigration to cover their racist agendas. If we aren't diligent with it, then the Left gets to "make hay," as you say, and deflect the argument.

Yes, they're going to make that claim even when it is unmerited, but if they can confuse the issue by showing that we are buddy-buddy with those of doubtful intent, it works to their advantage.

The thinking person knows the difference.

As for this site, the founders can do I suppose about anything they'd like. It's theirs'.

That was my ultimate point, though I would add that they ALSO don't owe anyone an explanation. If you want to use their reticence to make the decision to withdraw financial support from FR, that is of course your prerogative.

41 posted on 11/21/2002 9:47:13 AM PST by Illbay
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To: Spiff
To prove you can't make a decent argument, you bring up Nazi Germany and Hitler...

No, actually, I use your own attitudes and tactics to show how you are HARDLY a "champion of freedom."

42 posted on 11/21/2002 9:48:10 AM PST by Illbay
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To: Illbay; Jim Robinson
Ergo, there must be another reason that content from websites like American Patrol and VDARE aren't allowed.

Wonder if you can guess what it is?

Why is guessing necessary?

On the several occasions that I've clicked around vDare or American Patrol, I haven't seen anything that warrants the decision not to allow them on FR. I haven't seen anything that appears to me to violate FR's basic posting guidelines, so I'm curious. I don't dispute Jim Robinson's right to make the decision he has, but I would like to understand the rationale behind it.

I'd like to know if there is specifically objectionable stuff that I've missed, or if perhaps I have some blind spot with regard to stuff that I should have realized is objectionable.

Fair enough?




43 posted on 11/21/2002 9:51:55 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Illbay
No, actually, I use your own attitudes and tactics to show how you are HARDLY a "champion of freedom."

Reasonably asking for an explanation of certain policies and clarification of what those policies actually are is an attack on whose freedom, precisely?

44 posted on 11/21/2002 9:53:11 AM PST by Spiff
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To: Spiff
Screaming about "your first amendment 'rights'" and how "Free Republic is no longer free" is the kind of thing I'm talking about.
45 posted on 11/21/2002 10:08:30 AM PST by Illbay
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To: Illbay
Screaming about "your first amendment 'rights'" and how "Free Republic is no longer free" is the kind of thing I'm talking about.

There you go again, IllBay. I've never once, in the context of JimRob's banning of AP and VDare, mentioned my "first amendment rights". Not once. Yet that doesn't stop you from making such an accusation.

Similarly, I've never once claimed that "Free Republic is no longer free" or anything of the sort. Not once. Yet that doesnt stop you from making the accusation.

This goes right along with you accusing American Patrol of being a "rally for machine-gunning the spicks[sic]" and such. Despite the fact that you could not provide a single quote or article from American Patrol to back up your claim, you still continue your slander.

You obviously have been hallucinating. Either that, or you a freakin' liar. Take your pick - we all know your game here.

46 posted on 11/21/2002 10:21:27 AM PST by Spiff
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To: Sabertooth
I don't dispute Jim Robinson's right to make the decision he has, but I would like to understand the rationale behind it...
Perhaps the answer lies amongst the six hundred replies on THIS thread, from about six months ago:

According to Joe Hadenuf: Official Free Republic Position Parallels GOP On Immigration. No Big Deal
6/23/02 | Joe Hadenuf
Posted on 06/23/2002 12:52 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf

Last night during a conversation/debate between myself and the leader/owner of the Free Republic, Jim Robinson, a rather stunning revelation was brought forth. I asked Mr. Robinson, which Republicans were vocally backing, and supporting Tancredo in his fight for our sovereignty?
After some delay, Jim answered, “I have no idea. Immigration is not a big concern of mine.”

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47 posted on 11/21/2002 10:26:16 AM PST by RonDog
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To: Jim Robinson; Sabertooth; madfly; Clinton Is Scum
I knew about Vdare. But, American Patrol? I'd like clarification on the issue of AP and whether it's legal to post AP here.
48 posted on 11/21/2002 10:32:30 AM PST by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: Illbay
The thinking person knows the difference.

I disagree. When one uses the racist or anti-jew tag incessantly, it dilutes the intended purpose. I understand your enthusiasm to keep a perpetual purge going at all times to ward off nasty folks but it can just as easily be used to try to shut down dissenting voices....which is precisely how the liberals use such contentious words. It's like publicly proclaiming someone to be a child molester or abuser in today's climate...some of the goo almost always invariably sticks. I don't think I said anything about witholding my own contributions from this site. Nor have I seen anything on these scorned sites that looks so offensive at first glance whereas on Stormfront as you alluded to, one can tell fairly easy that one is "not in Kansas anymore".

49 posted on 11/21/2002 10:33:29 AM PST by wardaddy
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To: Clinton Is Scum
I'm with you in spirit CIS. I think one can talk about race or nationality without being a racist, just as one could discuss, for example, Marx without being a Marxist.

I think the point of posting articles on FR is to gauge the opinion of a wide audience of people--to get all viewpoints. Excluding certain viewpoint, no matter how odious one may think them, begins to whittle down the purpose of the forum.

More and more I'm seeing a great deal of intolerance on threads posted here. There have always been ridiulous displays of ignorance and great willingness to indulge in personal attack and name-calling, but at least in the past you could express an intelligent opinion and not have five replies calling you a Buchananite, Buckleyite, Ne-con, dumb paleo, Bushie, etc etc. (sort of like "Trotskyite" "Counter-Revolutinary" "Splitter" etc etc). It's sad to see that the viwership of the website is being curtailed to only a few set of approved ideologies, whether this is deliberate or not.
50 posted on 11/21/2002 12:02:10 PM PST by rogerthedodger
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