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Join us again on Friday. For those who choose to read along, the next Tolkien Virgin article will continue with the next part of the book The Silmarillion: Valaquenta.

Happy reading!

1 posted on 12/30/2002 7:35:00 AM PST by JameRetief
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Your Tolkien Virgin Ping!

Read along with a Tolkien Virgin as he discovers and comments on the history of Middle Earth as he reads it for the first time.  These articles start with The Silmarillion, they journey through The Hobbit and finish with Lord Of The Rings: The Return Of The King.  At the pace of 2 articles per week (Mondays and Fridays) the articles will wrap up about the same time that the final movie of the Lord Of The Rings story is released. 

If anyone would like for me to ping them directly when I post the Tolkien Virgin articles or my Daily Tolkien articles let me know. I hope that you enjoy them!

2 posted on 12/30/2002 7:35:40 AM PST by JameRetief
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To: JameRetief
Whether The Silmarillion is good or bad history, one must keep in mind that it is not Tolkien's Silmarillion.

Tolkien never came close to finishing it. What he had at his death was a vast body of writings on various pieces of Middle Earth history, philology, mythology and geography. Being written at different points in time from 1917 up to 1973, much of it was contradictory at various points.

It was published posthumously by his son, Christopher, who had the unenviable task of trying to weave a coherent narrative out of the most publishable and less inconsistent texts. That's not to knock what Christopher Tolkien did. I doubt anyone else could have done half as well in compiling the uncompilable.

The result was not what Tolkien had in mind for the work in published form. For one thing, his envisioned work would have been about four times as long.

As published, The Silmarillion is probably closest to a mythology.

I think that the best approach to Tolkien is to take it in the order his works were in fact published. To read The Hobbit first, especially as a child. And then to go to The Lord of the Rings. These are Tolkien's most accessible works. The history underlying each which Tolkien gives us glimpses of what makes for a richer experience.

For those who crave more there are the appendices at the end of ROTK. That gives a good deal of historical overview of the background of Middle Earth. Once you've finished that you're at the end of published works as Tolkien authorized them.

The Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales, and the twelve volumes of the history of Middle Earth edited by Christopher Tolkien represent in turn the next steps for the Tolkien acolyte. Each step represents less accessible and more incomplete, fragmentary or inconsistent work.

I'd never recommend The Silmarillion to someone seeking their first introduction to Tolkien. Neither would (were he alive) Tolkien himself.

6 posted on 12/30/2002 8:16:45 AM PST by The Iguana
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I'll be the first to admit that I'm a SilmarillionAddict and enjoy Tolkien's work here more than even "The Lord of the Rings", which I believe blows away "The Hobbit"!! So it'll be interesting to see how a Tolkien neophyte--BTW, how can someone claim "I’ve been a fan of fantasy since before I was a teenager..." and heve never read Tolkien?--perceives this work of genius.

"It's interesting that this evil is spontaneous—it merely "came into the heart of Melkor." We should also keep in mind that he is the "mightiest," the most greatly endowed with "power and knowledge." What do you think of how Tolkien puts a determinist spin on 'evil' when Ilúvatar proclaims, "And thou, Melkor, shalt see that no theme may be played that hath not its uttermost source in me, nor can any alter the music in my despite. For he that attempteth this shall prove but mine instrument in the devising of things more wonderful, which he himself hath not imagined." So we end up with the sense that nothing is truly evil, since even when Melkor is at his worst, he's merely the instrument of Ilúvatar. And I’m pretty sure Tolkien doesn’t even use the word evil in this section. Peculiar—no?"

Interesting, but far from unique, IMHO. "Evil" is a direct decendant of FReeWill, and a conscious choice on the part of the evil-doer. The fact that Iluvatar proclaims that "...no theme may be played that hath not its uttermost source in me, nor can any alter the music in my despite. For he that attempteth this shall prove but mine instrument in the devising of things more wonderful..." is no different than the StarWars saga wherein Anakin Skywalker is created--divinely, apparently--by the need to bring "Balance to the Force", IMHO. For if there is no EVIL to be Vanquished, what need is there for Righteous Heroes?!

That said...let's bring this dichotomy back to the present day. How and why could such an inarguably EVIL Man such as Osama bil Clinton exist and rise to the highest echelons of World Power?! IMHO, it is so Clinton can be VANQUISHED by the Righteous!! Can there be any other reason for Der SchleekMeister's existence other than to see him DRAMATICALLY felled by the Goodness that is the essence of the Great American Experiment?!

I think not...MUD

BTW...RE-IMPEACH. CONVICT. DETHRONE.
DISBAR. DE-PENSION. DE-LEGITIMIZE.
INDICT. CONVICT. IMPRISON. DISCARD KEY.

7 posted on 12/30/2002 8:31:08 AM PST by Mudboy Slim
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To: JameRetief; The Iguana
Thanks for the article Jame.

I don't know if I agree with Mr. Edmonds differentiating between Cosmology and History in the case of The Silmairillion. After all, the things described in The Silmarillion really happened in Middle-Earth. I don't think it matters that everything is not told in exquisite detail or that there may be some apparent inconsistencies.

Someone reading through The Silmarillion doesn't realize it, but Iguana hit on it, but The Silmarillion was not completed by Tolkien. I am sure if he had had the chance to finish and publish it himself that many of the kinks would have been worked out.

If The Silmarillion had some application towards the way of Salvation in Middle-Earth than I probably would have classified it as a Theology.
15 posted on 12/30/2002 9:24:03 AM PST by ksen
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To: JameRetief
So we end up with the sense that nothing is truly evil, since even when Melkor is at his worst, he's merely the instrument of Ilúvatar. And I’m pretty sure Tolkien doesn’t even use the word evil in this section. Peculiar—no?

Nonsense. That God is able to turn even evil to eventual good does not make it any less evil.

Judas' betrayal of Christ led directly to the salvation of mankind, in Christian theology. That good came from it does not detract from its status as the most evil act in history.

What Tolkien is talking about here is that Evil will be ultimately defeated by Good. Not that Evil doesn't exist.

If Evil were able to ultimately defeat the original intentions of God, then it would be more powerful than Him.

22 posted on 12/30/2002 11:45:52 AM PST by Restorer
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To: JameRetief
Can anyone recommend a hardback illustrated edition of the Silmarillion? I've found one by Houghton Miflin and another by Ballantine online, and it is hard to tell from info presented which might be preferable, so any advise would be welcome, thanks.
37 posted on 12/31/2002 7:46:58 PM PST by Maigret
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