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The American Lenin
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Posted on 01/17/2003 6:07:04 AM PST by Aurelius

It's harder and harder these days to tell a liberal from a conservative -- given the former category's increasingly blatant hostility toward the First Amendment, and the latter's prissy new disdain for the Second Amendment -- but it's still easy to tell a liberal from a libertarian.

Just ask about either Amendment.

If what you get back is a spirited defense of the ideas of this country's Founding Fathers, what you've got is a libertarian. By shameful default, libertarians have become America's last and only reliable stewards of the Bill of Rights.

But if -- and this usually seems a bit more difficult to most people -- you'd like to know whether an individual is a libertarian or a conservative, ask about Abraham Lincoln.

Suppose a woman -- with plenty of personal faults herself, let that be stipulated -- desired to leave her husband: partly because he made a regular practice, in order to go out and get drunk, of stealing money she had earned herself by raising chickens or taking in laundry; and partly because he'd already demonstrated a proclivity for domestic violence the first time she'd complained about his stealing.

Now, when he stood in the doorway and beat her to a bloody pulp to keep her home, would we memorialize him as a hero? Or would we treat him like a dangerous lunatic who should be locked up, if for no other reason, then for trying to maintain the appearance of a relationship where there wasn't a relationship any more? What value, we would ask, does he find in continuing to possess her in an involuntary association, when her heart and mind had left him long ago?

History tells us that Lincoln was a politically ambitious lawyer who eagerly prostituted himself to northern industrialists who were unwilling to pay world prices for their raw materials and who, rather than practice real capitalism, enlisted brute government force -- "sell to us at our price or pay a fine that'll put you out of business" -- for dealing with uncooperative southern suppliers. That's what a tariff's all about. In support of this "noble principle", when southerners demonstrated what amounted to no more than token resistance, Lincoln permitted an internal war to begin that butchered more Americans than all of this country's foreign wars -- before or afterward -- rolled into one.

Lincoln saw the introduction of total war on the American continent -- indiscriminate mass slaughter and destruction without regard to age, gender, or combat status of the victims -- and oversaw the systematic shelling and burning of entire cities for strategic and tactical purposes. For the same purposes, Lincoln declared, rather late in the war, that black slaves were now free in the south -- where he had no effective jurisdiction -- while declaring at the same time, somewhat more quietly but for the record nonetheless, that if maintaining slavery could have won his war for him, he'd have done that, instead.

The fact is, Lincoln didn't abolish slavery at all, he nationalized it, imposing income taxation and military conscription upon what had been a free country before he took over -- income taxation and military conscription to which newly "freed" blacks soon found themselves subjected right alongside newly-enslaved whites. If the civil war was truly fought against slavery -- a dubious, "politically correct" assertion with no historical evidence to back it up -- then clearly, slavery won.

Lincoln brought secret police to America, along with the traditional midnight "knock on the door", illegally suspending the Bill of Rights and, like the Latin America dictators he anticipated, "disappearing" thousands in the north whose only crime was that they disagreed with him. To finance his crimes against humanity, Lincoln allowed the printing of worthless paper money in unprecedented volumes, ultimately plunging America into a long, grim depression -- in the south, it lasted half a century -- he didn't have to live through, himself.

In the end, Lincoln didn't unite this country -- that can't be done by force -- he divided it along lines of an unspeakably ugly hatred and resentment that continue to exist almost a century and a half after they were drawn. If Lincoln could have been put on trial in Nuremburg for war crimes, he'd have received the same sentence as the highest-ranking Nazis.

If libertarians ran things, they'd melt all the Lincoln pennies, shred all the Lincoln fives, take a wrecking ball to the Lincoln Memorial, and consider erecting monuments to John Wilkes Booth. Libertarians know Lincoln as the worst President America has ever had to suffer, with Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, and Lyndon Johnson running a distant second, third, and fourth.

Conservatives, on the other hand, adore Lincoln, publicly admire his methods, and revere him as the best President America ever had. One wonders: is this because they'd like to do, all over again, all of the things Lincoln did to the American people? Judging from their taste for executions as a substitute for individual self-defense, their penchant for putting people behind bars -- more than any other country in the world, per capita, no matter how poorly it works to reduce crime -- and the bitter distaste they display for Constitutional "technicalities" like the exclusionary rule, which are all that keep America from becoming the world's largest banana republic, one is well-justified in wondering.

The troubling truth is that, more than anybody else's, Abraham Lincoln's career resembles and foreshadows that of V.I. Lenin, who, with somewhat better technology at his disposal, slaughtered millions of innocents -- rather than mere hundreds of thousands -- to enforce an impossibly stupid idea which, in the end, like forced association, was proven by history to be a resounding failure. Abraham Lincoln was America's Lenin, and when America has finally absorbed that painful but illuminating truth, it will finally have begun to recover from the War between the States.


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1 posted on 01/17/2003 6:07:04 AM PST by Aurelius
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2 posted on 01/17/2003 6:08:54 AM PST by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: Aurelius
Bump for later.
3 posted on 01/17/2003 6:08:57 AM PST by AUgrad (Kings will be tyrants from policy , when subjects are rebels from principal)
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To: Aurelius
Sounds like Lincoln was the father of "democratic capitalism", may his soul reap it's just rewards
4 posted on 01/17/2003 6:16:53 AM PST by steve50
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To: Aurelius
This has been posted before. It's just as big a crock now as it was before.

Walt

5 posted on 01/17/2003 6:24:20 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa (To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men)
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To: WhiskeyPapa
"It's just as big a crock now as it was before."

No it isn't, but you are. You're projecting again.

6 posted on 01/17/2003 6:29:17 AM PST by Aurelius
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To: Aurelius
"illegally suspending the Bill of Rights and, like the Latin America dictators he anticipated, "disappearing" thousands in the north whose only crime was that they disagreed with him."

??

I am under the impressions that much of the hostility and racism existing up to modern times is a direct result of reconstruction, imposed by the Republicans after Lincoln's assassination. If memory serves, Lincoln had intended a far less harsh approach, which he hoped might heal some of the wounds of war.

7 posted on 01/17/2003 6:30:42 AM PST by Sam Cree
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To: Aurelius
History tells us that Lincoln was a politically ambitious lawyer who eagerly prostituted himself to northern industrialists who were unwilling to pay world prices for their raw materials and who, rather than practice real capitalism, enlisted brute government force -- "sell to us at our price or pay a fine that'll put you out of business" -- for dealing with uncooperative southern suppliers.

Complete nonsense. Northern capitalists were for appeasement of the south, not confrontation. There -was- a symbiotic relationship between northern mills and southern cotton providers, but the maintenance of slavery was more important to the secessionists:

"Edmund Ruffin was writing to Yancey, saying that it would be a "clear and unmistakable indication of future and fixed domination of the Northern section & its abolition policy over the southern states & their institutions, & the beginning of a sure and speedy progress to the extermination of negro slavery & the consequent utter ruin of the prosperity of the South." The only possible answer to this, he wrote, must be secession.

In his diary, Ruffin wrote that his sons hoped that Lincoln would be defeated but that he did not. "I most earnestly & anxiously desire Lincoln to be elected -- because I have hope that at least one state, S.C. will secede & that others will follow -- & even if otherwise, I wish the question tested & settled now. If there is a general submission now, there never will be future maintenance of our rights -- & the end of negro slavery may be considered as settled. I can think of little else than this momentous crisis of our institutions and our fate.

Few men were as realistic or as outspoken as Edmund Ruffin. There were even times when it seemed as if the pro-slavery and anti-slavery parties were repeating the same ugly words. Yancey himself got into New York, in the middle of this campaign, and he made a light-hearted taunting speech which was strangely like the thoughts which that Cincinnati campaign newspaper, the Railsplitter, had given to the north a few weeks earlier.

Slavery, said Yancey, was an institution necessary to the south and to the north as well; and furthermore, it was nothing any northerner need worry about. "It is an institution, too, that doesn't harm you, for we don't let our niggers run about to injure anybody; we keep them; they never steal from you; they don't trouble you with that peculiar stench which is very good in the nose of the Southern man but intolerable in the nose of a Northerner." Yet the north might elect Lincoln, who would "build up an abolitionist party in every southern state," and Yancey warned that this would not be borne: "With the election of a black Republican, all the south would be menaced. Emissaries will percolate between master and slave as water between the crevices of the rocks underground....The keystone of the arch of the Union is already crumbling. A more weighty question was never before you. One freighted with the fate of societies and of nationalities is on your mind."

--"The Coming Fury" p. 98-99 by Bruce Catton

As to the tariffs:

"The next evil that my friend complained of, was the Tariff. Well, let us look at that for a moment. About the time I commenced noticing public matters, this question was agitating the country almost as fearfully as the Slave question now is. In 1832, when I was in college, South Carolina was ready to nullify or secede from the Union on this account. And what have we seen? The tariff no longer distracts the public councils. Reason has triumphed. The present tariff was voted for by Massachusetts and South Carolina. The lion and the lamb lay down together-- every man in the Senate and House from Massachusetts and South Carolina, I think, voted for it, as did my honorable friend himself. And if it be true, to use the figure of speech of my honorable friend, that every man in the North, that works in iron and brass and wood, has his muscle strengthened by the protection of the government, that stimulant was given by his vote, and I believe every other Southern man. So we ought not to complain of that.

[Mr. Toombs: That tariff lessened the duties.]

Mr. Stephens: Yes, and Massachusetts, with unanimity, voted with the South to lessen them, and they were made just as low as Southern men asked them to be, and those are the rates they are now at. If reason and argument, with experience, produced such changes in the sentiments of Massachusetts from 1832 to 1857, on the subject of the tariff, may not like changes be effected there by the same means, reason and argument, and appeals to patriotism on the present vexed question? And who can say that by 1875 or 1890, Massachusetts may not vote with South Carolina and Georgia upon all those questions that now distract the country and threaten its peace and existence? I believe in the power and efficiency of truth, in the omnipotence of truth, and its ultimate triumph when properly wielded. (Applause.)"

-- Alexander Stephens, November, 1860

Walt

8 posted on 01/17/2003 6:31:31 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa (To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men)
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To: Sam Cree
If memory serves, Lincoln had intended a far less harsh approach, which he hoped might heal some of the wounds of war.

As late as February, 1865, Lincoln proposed that $400,000,000 in bonds be made available to the rebel states if they would only recognize the national authority. He was always conciliation and forgiveness.

Walt

9 posted on 01/17/2003 6:33:24 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa (To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men)
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To: Aurelius
The fact is, Lincoln didn't abolish slavery at all, he nationalized it, imposing income taxation and military conscription upon what had been a free country before he took over -- income taxation and military conscription to which newly "freed" blacks soon found themselves subjected right alongside newly-enslaved whites.

Complete nonsense. The rebel government adopted conscription a full year before the federal government. And there was no conscription at all between 1865 and 1940. It's hard to imagine how Lincoln could be blamed for events in 1940.

There was no income tax either, between 1865 and 1916 or so. Lincoln was buried in two tons of cement at that time.

Walt

10 posted on 01/17/2003 6:36:37 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa (To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men)
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To: WhiskeyPapa
Stop wasting your time (though I realize that it isn't worth much) by sending me these irrelevant posts.
11 posted on 01/17/2003 6:37:03 AM PST by Aurelius
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To: Aurelius
Here we go again.
12 posted on 01/17/2003 6:43:34 AM PST by The Iguana
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To: Aurelius
Stop wasting your time (though I realize that it isn't worth much) by sending me these irrelevant posts.

I never post for your benefit.

Walt

13 posted on 01/17/2003 6:50:26 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa (To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men)
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To: WhiskeyPapa
"I never post for your benefit."

Of course you don't. You don't post for anybody's benefit, except maybe that of your own ego.

14 posted on 01/17/2003 7:16:08 AM PST by Aurelius
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To: WhiskeyPapa
"didn't unite this country -- that can't be done by force.....hatred and resentment that continue to exist almost a century and a half after they were drawn"

This much is very true; as you continue to illustrate at every opportunity.

15 posted on 01/17/2003 7:42:25 AM PST by laotzu
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17 posted on 01/17/2003 9:24:31 AM PST by Free the USA
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To: Aurelius
I see a "Zot" in your future.
18 posted on 01/17/2003 9:27:50 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: rebelyell
I wish we had a Zapruder film of the war criminal's head exploding in a red mist. Wouldn't that be fun to watch on the History Channel? Whatcha think, Walt?

I could understand your enjoyment. Sneaking up behind someone and shooting them in the back is no doubt in keeping with the best southron traditions.

19 posted on 01/17/2003 9:33:50 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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I wish we had a Zapruder film of the war criminal's head exploding in a red mist. Wouldn't that be fun to watch on the History Channel? Whatcha think, Walt?

I could understand your enjoyment. Sneaking up behind someone and shooting them in the back is no doubt in keeping with the best southron traditions.

The secessionists certainly didn't think they would get much of a fight from the north -- one southerner could whip ten Yankees of course.

Once it was shown that the north was going to fight, the rebel government involuntarily extended the enlistments of most of the army, but ultimately those armies disintegrated.

Walt

20 posted on 01/17/2003 10:22:46 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa (To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men)
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