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Shocker: Am I Anti-Gay? ["Gays" malign "Gay"-friendly Pychology Today editor]
Psychology Today ^ | Jan/Feb 2003 | Robert Epstein

Posted on 01/29/2003 11:29:48 AM PST by Notwithstanding

Summary: You be the judge. A letter form the editor in chief.

... I bring these matters to your attention because of a threatening phone call I received a few weeks ago from a fellow psychologist. On page 78 of our last issue, PT ran a small ad for a book called A Parent's Guide to Preventing Homosexuality by Joseph Nicolosi, Ph.D., and his wife Linda. Nicolosi is a psychologist who specializes in trying to help unhappy gays become straight. Apparently feeling that this rather modest contribution to the literature on homosexuality wasn't getting enough attention, the psychologist, who identified herself as a lesbian activist, called me at home on a Saturday to tell me that PT should not have run such a heinous ad, that she was speaking for "thousands" of gays who were going to boycott PT, "and worse," that Dr. Nicolosi was a "bigot," that no gay person had ever successfully become straight, that homosexuality was entirely determined by genes, and that sexual conversion therapy had been condemned by the American Psychological Association. I told her that the editorial department at PT has no connection whatsoever with the advertising department, but she was unimpressed. She subsequently posted messages on the Internet urging people to harrass me at home (no one else ever did) and to send me complaint letters.

In all, I received about 120 letters, many of which exemplified a bad game of Telephone: Some people complained about an anti-gay "article" PT had published; others referred to an anti-gay book I had published and people who weren't subscribers said they were dropping their subscriptions. Several writers suggested I was a "Nazi" and a "bigot," and one compared me with the Taliban. A surprising number of letters asserted that gays have a right to be rude or abusive because they themselves have been abused. Most echoed the same points that my caller had made....

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To: dark_lord
Pretty far fetched hypothesis, imo.

Also...if it is genetic then why don't gays have physical characteristics that accomodate this? For example: Gay men should have vagina like qualities to their anus to accommodate their different mode of sexual intercourse. Women should have -- I don't know -- something to accommodate theirs. As it is now all they do for "intercourse" is mutually masturbate. According to the Democrats, that isn't sex.

In short: If gays evolved that way then why didn't -- in the course of natural selection and evolution -- they also get different body parts that support their behavior?

43 posted on 01/29/2003 3:31:48 PM PST by RAT Patrol
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To: camle
"if homosexuality is caused by genes...."

Diarrhea is also hereditary....scientists are finding it in the g(j)eans of kids all accross America...
44 posted on 01/29/2003 3:33:28 PM PST by TRY ONE (")
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To: RAT Patrol
And how is the gene passed along since gays can't reproduce?

(mock scolding) Silly boy. That's too easy!

The "genes" are passed along by way of introducing homosexuality and how "normal" it is to children too young to be able to know anything about sex. This is done primarily by the introduction of books on the reading lists of these children, like "It's Perfectly (Ab)Normal" and "Heather Has Two Mommies."

47 posted on 01/29/2003 4:02:20 PM PST by Houmatt (The OTHER Axis of Evil: The ACLU, Planned Parenthood, the NEA, and the Rats.)
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To: RonF
dominate = dominant (I couldn't think of it at the time for some stupid reason, LOL)
48 posted on 01/29/2003 4:08:45 PM PST by RAT Patrol
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To: madg
Homosexuality is highly correlated with a number of environmental factors.

These factors are not universally found, but include and are not limited to: Sexual abuse at a young age, Sexual abuse at adolesence, low self-esteem, addictive behavior, seduction in the formative years, and generally being taught that physiological ejaculation is the same as orgasm with the albatross: "It wouldn't have happened if you weren't gay."

Which should almost completely describe why the incidence is 50% in twins (both do not always suffer one or more of the above, but will, about 1/2 the time) and not 2%, nor 100%.

It is a *learned* behavior, and as the screening of gay parents reaches to people more likely to act against the children they have or adopt, the incidence will rise.
49 posted on 01/29/2003 4:48:07 PM PST by Maelstrom (Government Limited to Enumerated Powers is your freedom to do what isn't in the Constitution.)
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To: madg
madg did not read the editorial

(just like his "gay" friends who harassed the editor erroneously referred to an ad as an article)
50 posted on 01/29/2003 6:18:31 PM PST by Notwithstanding (Are you pro-abortion because you were involved with one?)
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To: madg
I should have just linked to the source. Now I have to find it again. The point I was making was, the homosexual community contends that homosexuals are "born that way." In other words, homosexuality is a function of genetics. They contend that "environment" is less a factor, or not a factor at all. The homosexual community all contends that the inborn sexual preference leads naturally to the homosexual behavior.

You properly point out that "preference" (or "attraction") is not the same as "behavior." There have been studies, reports, and articles published lately (I tend to read some of the more popular science journals and magazines, rather than the psychology journals) that there have been found distinct differences in brain morphology between practicing homosexuals and heterosexuals. So there may be some truth to observations about homosexuality.

However, the contention that homosexuality is driven exclusively by genetics can be tested. Identical twins, separated by birth, share an identical genetic makeup. If it is found that one separated twin is a practicing homosexual, or maintains homosexual attractions, then it stands to reason that the other twin would also have similar attractions, and should in 100% of the cases. In fact, the findings were nothing like that. I recall the number reports was something less than 20%.

So clearly, there are other factors influencing both preference and behavior. I'm not a psychologist, and I didn't sleep at a Holiday Inn last night either. So I will not pretend that I know a lot about the psychology of human sexual behavior (other than red-heads are hot!). But I do know from my education and professional scientific background, that the "all" and "never" cases rarely occur in nature.

51 posted on 01/29/2003 9:21:44 PM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: madg
Do you consider yourself gay? I have a further question for you if you do.
52 posted on 01/29/2003 9:34:59 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: madg
Hetero-to-homosexual women who leave abuse relationships are also surprised to learn that butch women can be physically abusive too.
53 posted on 01/30/2003 1:11:54 AM PST by weegee
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To: RAT Patrol
The fictional Deep Throat had her sexual stimuli in the back of her throat (all though that would not aid in female-female relationships). And some women have an extra large glans (begins with c-) but no one has hypothoseized that it was an indication of a "lesbian" gene).

Some might say that gay men have effeminate voices but it could just be environment. Do black men have a genetic reason to speak ebonics?

When I saw Rip Taylor, he denied being homosexual but did reveal that he was raised by 2 female prostitutes and sexually abused by a man (fondled?) while he was a child.

54 posted on 01/30/2003 1:20:01 AM PST by weegee
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To: mlmr
No I posted it to the wrong person because it took me 3 tries.
55 posted on 01/30/2003 5:42:53 AM PST by mlmr
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To: madg; Dimensio
There's a great deal of evidence, direct and indirect, that homosexuality stems from childhood experiences and difficulties (lack of love from father, poor relationships with kids of same sex, homosexual molestation).

By "a great deal of evidence," did you actually mean: "a lot of stuff from Nicolosi, his associates at NARTH, disgraced researcher Paul Cameron, et al?"

Nicolosi is just a guy who helps homosexuals who WANT to change their orientation. There's nothing wrong with that. He has a good record of success (about the same as for treating any psychological disorder). (Even the New York Times ran a front page artilce last year about homosexuals wanting to change - and noted that significant numbers of them have achieved success in doing so.) He simply notes in his book that there are many strong similarities among the homosexuals he treats. That's valid. As I say, every homosexual man I've known fits into these similarities. I'm not saying that all do. But Nicolisi's experience is certainly strongly suggestive. As an example, I have a homosexual friend that I've known since high school. He had a tyrant father who told his kids that he wished he hadn't had them. He was poor at sports and was mocked and rejected by most male kids. Finally, when he was hurting the most and just entering adolescence, a Methodist minister he knew convinced him to engage in homosexual activity to help 'heal' him. Of course, the minister abandoned him a year later, and moved on to other conquests. (He also abandoned his family.) Many homosexual men I've known have similar stories. I don't claim to know the answer as to what causes homosexuality - but Nicolosi's observations (also supported by many other psychologists in this field) are strongly suggestive in my mind.

56 posted on 01/30/2003 6:30:50 AM PST by yendu bwam
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To: madg
Lots of folks grow up with the same or similar "difficulties," and only a small percentage of them turn out gay.

Yes, that's right, madg. But a very large percentage of homosexual men have had these difficulties. As I say, that's strongly suggestive in my mind (and the minds of many others).

57 posted on 01/30/2003 6:31:49 AM PST by yendu bwam
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To: madg
First, I don't think that I would turn to you (or to anyone else) to find out what "any loving parent" would want. Second, a parent's LOVE is not conditional on the orientations of their children... or shouldn't be.

I've never in my life met a parent who wants their kid to turn out homosexual. Not one. Why would a parent want their kid to suffer from a sexual disorder? Why would a parent want their kid not to know the beauty and wonder and love of a woman? Why would a parent not want their kid to have the option of creating and bring new life into this world in an act of selfless love with a woman? Of course, you're right on the second point. Parents should always love their children unconditionally. But in so loving, they have to make the determination of what they believe is best for their (loved) child.

58 posted on 01/30/2003 6:34:18 AM PST by yendu bwam
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To: madg
Third, "this book" is written from the outskirts of mainstream science and reflects a small minority veiw.

No it's not. It's just that the Gaystapo tries its hardest to intimidate anyone who doesn't profess to agree with their belief agenda. The guy whose research about homosexuals often being able to change their orientation, and who was published in the New York Times last year, and who has sympathy for homosexuals, and who simply wants to help those who want to change their orientation, was of course brutally attacked and excoriated and subject to homosexual hate-mongers the second his research was published. Same with the Boy Scouts. Same with anyone who dares to not toe the Gay fascist line.

59 posted on 01/30/2003 6:37:30 AM PST by yendu bwam
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To: madg
Joe Nicolosi "treats" innocent TODDLERS for matters of SEXUALITY. I think that's sick.

Why? It's always homosexuals who are claiming that they felt homosexual when they were little. If a psychologist can help a boy develop his normal sexual identity and grow up normal, that's a good thing. Nicolosi successfully helps boys do so, in many cases. If I were one of those parents, I would be ecstatic.

60 posted on 01/30/2003 6:39:24 AM PST by yendu bwam
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